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From Andrus Adamchik <>
Subject Re: Release Requirements
Date Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:40:21 GMT
I am with Alan on that - Leo's comment when put in perspective equals  
to "Incubator should not have any guidelines at all for the new  
projects, and every vote is decided based on the people's mood at the  
moment". That's probably not what he meant..?

But in any event clear guidelines including a statement that  
packaging is up to the project (except for the minimal legal  
requirements such as LICENSE and NOTICE files at the top) is a very  
good thing as it reduces confusion and helps the incoming projects.

If you tried to use the release and it is broken, you have a ground  
for -1 vote, but if you expected a Makefile in the src folder, and it  
wasn't there (e.g. because the build procedure is a little more  
involved than that), you probably don't.

An Incubator PMC member can still vote -1 in the later case to make a  
point, but the burden of proof that the release has to be rejected  
based on packaging is now on this member, not on the project. If he/ 
she can persuade the majority of the PMC to vote -1, that's fine too.


On Oct 14, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> On Oct 13, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
>> On Oct 12, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>> Can we agree that regardless of which style one might prefer the  
>>> packaging,
>>> there are multiple valid approaches, and that this level of  
>>> difference
>>> should not be a release criteria for the Incubator?
>> ASF release processes work because people can vote however they  
>> want. I don't want to create a *rule* that says people that vote  
>> can't vote in some way for some reason.
> Do I understand your statement correctly in that you think that  
> it's perfectly ok for people from the _Incubator PMC_ to vote  
> against a release because they prefer camel case names to those  
> whose parts are separated by underscores?  (I have used a trite  
> example to make my point)
> It seems to me that Noel's comment that technical decisions are  
> outside the realm of the Incubator PMC release votes and that the  
> place to chime in is at the project level, not at the Incubator PMC  
> level, is perfectly reasonable.
> Regards,
> Alan

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