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From "Newcomer, Eric" <>
Subject RE: Policy on Initial Committership
Date Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:58:06 GMT
Ok, thanks. 

I understand the best thing to do now is to get the project going,
following the process, and as input from this discussion one of the
first items of business will be to review the committer list.

Regarding the discussion about the future, yes, I agree it is a good
idea to have some clarification on the guidelines.


-----Original Message-----
From: Noel J. Bergman [] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: Policy on Initial Committership


> I realize we may have created some difficulties in merging two
> projects - Celtix from ObjectWeb and Xfire from Codehaus

> But we are nonetheless simply trying to do the right thing, not
> stacking the deck to control the project.

OK, let's please stop right here.  At least in this discussion, no one
said anything about that, at least to my notice.  I intentionally
these threads to get away from CeltiXFire, and a number of the issues
I've mentiond in this thread have had nothing to do with CeltiXFire.
example, as far as I know, we didn't have a third party company stuffing
their employees onto "someone else's" initial committer list.  But these
things have happened in the past.

As I just wrote to Berin, a major goal of my proposing some changes to
bootstrap is to help manage the Initial Committer List FOR THE BENEFIT
THE INCOMING COMMUNITY.  I never suggested anything about limiting
legitimate members of the incoming community to participate, and would
consider such a thing to be very very wrong.  I want to give the
community the opportunity to decide for itself whom those people are.
the "sign-up" sheet approach has been somewhat of a problem in that
So my proposal was about replacing the sign-up sheet with a process
the people involved in the community told us whom should be a Committer.

The whole thing about binding votes is a technical matter, and can
be ignored if the votes reflect the will of the community.

	--- Noel

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