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From Daniel Kulp <>
Subject Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation
Date Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:30:31 GMT
On Tuesday October 17 2006 12:44 am, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> The PPMC of the Apache Harmony incubator podling has voted to ask for
> graduation from the Apache Incubator.  We have enjoyed our time here
> with you, but feel that we don't want to overstay our welcome.  We want
>  to do our part to help make sure the ASF has more projects than the
> Incubator :)

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> We won't have a release of this software until we are finished with
> Java SE 5.  We may have milestone release late this quarter or in Q1 of
> next year, but we wish to avoid hyping the capability of what we have,
> and get our software stabilized and useful for general use.  Users are
> very important to us, but we realize that there's a minimum amount of
> functionality and stability required before it's interesting to the
> casual user, and we're just reaching that point.

I don't have a binding vote, but my thought is Harmony has the 
same "issue" as Felix: namely they haven't done a release or provided 
even a "test release" to the IPMC so the IPMC can be sure the podling 
knows the proper way to do a release and understands and can correct all 
the issues such as proper apache licensing, etc...    Basically, make 
sure the podling can get all their "Apache Legal Ducks in a Row."

Looking at the latest snapshot downloaded from the website, there 
definitely are some things missing.  (mainly, stuff missing from the 
META-INF of all the jars)

Anyway, I think Harmony should first go through the process of preparing a 
release and get it OK'd by the IPMC.   There is a LOT a podling can learn 
while going through that process.    Since Felix was "asked" to create a 
sample release, I would expect Harmony should do the same.

Anyway, those are my (non-binding) thoughts.


> We'd like to help make this as efficient a process as possible - please
> let us know if there are any issues that will prevent a successful vote
> by the PMC on our graduation.  If there are no un-addressed issues in
> the next 3 days, I'd like to call a vote late on Thursday, October
> 19th, so we can possibly be finished in time for the next Board
> meeting, October 25th.
> Thanks, and we look forward to your comments.  To avoid cross-post
> confusion, I will forward this message to the harmony-dev list rather
> than CC.
> geir
> Champion and Mentor, Apache Harmony podling
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