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From Daniel Kulp <>
Subject Re: Policy on Initial Committership
Date Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:47:14 GMT


On Sunday October 08 2006 9:55 am, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On 10/8/06, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
> > However, in that case I would really like to see it that
> > if committers from other ASF projects read the proposal
> > and have a sincere interest in helping, that they be
> > included in the initial list, since I think it helps
> > bootstrap the community process right off the bat.
> Noel and I were chatting about this last night, and my position is that
> I'm okay with 'piling on' by ASF folks *if* the podling community is
> happy with that.  If the podling folks do not want them on the initial
> list and desire that they earn their commit bits through actual
> participation, I'm okay with that too.

My question is:  how is the podling community supposed to decide if it's 
OK or not?   Prior to the PMC accepting the podling, there isn't any 
formal lists setup (other than general@incubator) for the podling 
participants to discuss this except through the proposers, which are 
probably the ones doing the "piling on".

I suppose thats part of the "champions" job is to talk to all the 
participants and gage the concerns and such.   I'd just be concerned with 
flooding the general@incubator list with a bunch of "does XXX belong as a 
commiter on project YYY" type chatter.    This list is hard enough to 
follow somedays.

I suppose one idea might be upon proposal submission but prior to the PMC 
vote, immediately setup the "dev" list so the podling community can start 
talking and working together to "fix up" the proposal.   At that point, 
other ASF members who were not contacted as part of the proposal could 
also join the list and possibly help guide the podling, express interest 
in helping, ask to join as commiters, etc...   Basically, try to "jump 
start" the community before the official iPMC vote.    This could ALSO 
help the iPMC people see how the people are acting, etc... which could 
also provide valuable insight into helping them vote.

J. Daniel Kulp
Principal Engineer
P: 781-902-8727    C: 508-380-7194   F:781-902-8001

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