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From "Garrett Rooney" <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] accept UIMA as a podling
Date Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:07:33 GMT
On 9/19/06, Thilo Goetz <> wrote:
> Garrett Rooney wrote:
> <snip>
> > I'm sorry, but I have to vote -1 based on my new policy of rejecting
> > any potential podling that can't explain what it is that they do
> > within the first paragraph of the proposal.  I'm a fairly intelligent
> > person, but honestly I have no clue what "an architecture and software
> > framework for creating, discovering, composing and deploying a broad
> > range of multi-modal analysis capabilities" actually is, and I see
> > little potential for any project that's so bad at selling themselves
> > to actually grow a useful community.
> <snip>
> Garrett,
> you're right.  Others have noted that our opening paragraphs are not
> very clear.  We did however follow up with more explanation that
> satisfied others on the list.  Are you saying that these further
> explanations are still not clear, or that those explanations should go
> into the proposal itself (as opposed to a link from the Wiki)?

Yes, they should absolutely go into the proposal.  You're asking us to
vote on the proposal, not on some conversation on the mailing list.

Of course, the fact that you had to be explicitly asked to explain
what the project does in the mailing list discussion doesn't bode well
in and of itself.  My objection isn't just "your proposal is unclear",
it's also in part that you showed up at the incubator with a proposal
that was incomprehensible to anyone who didn't already know what your
project did.  If that's how you're marketing yourselves to a group
that you want to be a part of, how are you going to market yourself to
the rest of the world.  A big part of becoming an ASF project is
attracting other developers who want to work with you, building a
community, and that's hard to do when your basic introduction isn't
comprehensible to someone new.  We already have too many projects at
the ASF who can't seem to explain what it is they do without a maze of
incomprehensible acronyms, I see little benefit in adding something
that does away with the acronyms yet still manages to be say very
little about what it actually does.


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