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From Geir Magnusson Jr <>
Subject Re: IRC Channel?
Date Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:03:08 GMT

Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On 15 Aug 06, at 12:27 PM 15 Aug 06, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>> Jan Blok wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> What could be the problem of any real-time communication medium usage
>>> between some community members as long as every one agrees code and
>>> design decisions are made on the mailing list?
>> Because the reality is that decisions are made on IRC, implicitly.  It's
>> hard to engage in an argument that already happened, especially when the
>> discussion was very conversational rather than formal :
>> A: what do you think?
>> B: Well, like you said before...
>> A : about the contstructor
>> B : no, the other thing
>> A : related to using =?
>> B : right that it..  it would be better if that was done as Jim
>> suggested....
>> versus the more formal statements people make in email
>> "I'm beginning to agree that ensuring that re-serializing the Properties
>> preserves the original delimiter ("=" in Jim's example) that was used in
>> the original file."
> That's a sweeping generalization which in many cases is not true.

Of course - it was clearly contrived.  And most people don't make single
coherent statements in email as well.  But I find it far easier to track
a thread in email.

> Email can be just as unclear and people going "Sorry, I don't understand
> what you just said" happens often. In IRC where you can iterate to the
> point of understanding and pastebin examples to get your point across
> works very well.
> I don't think the argument can be made that one form of communication
> has a better rate of conveyance. I would say IRC does, you would say
> email does. I think the argument here is one of persons/groups being
> excluded or not which is matter of project members' attitudes about
> inclusion.

It would be interesting to see if such things could be measured with
language analysis, to find "density" or "continuity" of content.  I know
that I personally have a rough time reading IRC logs, even just
backscrolling though what my client captures is always far different
than being there in real time.

My biggest problem with IRC is that fact that not everyone can be there.

I understand how people find it more efficient - I actually prefer face
to face or phone... :)


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