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From Sanjiva Weerawarana <>
Subject Re: [rant] seperate policy change from proposal discussion
Date Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:47:25 GMT
ABSOLUTELY +1! I also feel really terrible about our "unprofessionalism"
when it comes to handling proposals.

+1 for another list for proposal submissions- proposal@incubator.a.o and
for this to remain for the current purpose.


On Mon, 2006-08-07 at 23:24 -0700, Leo Simons wrote:
> <rant>
> It must be sooo frustrating for new projects coming in. They read the
> websites, read the mail archives, talk to loads and loads of people,
> and when they think they get it all right they send in a proposal. And
> then, more often than not, someone somewhere within the ASF sees
> "something" that is somehow wrong, and off we go to institute a new
> "rule" on the fly to make the new proposal somehow "invalid".
> The latest example is all the debate surrounding whether or not the
> "glasgow" name is appropriate. Up until about a week or two ago, it
> certainly was accepted practice (just look around), and now 'suddenly'
> there's messiness. Its ok if opinions change (we had a loooong debate
> a few years ago about "geronimo" as a name and that made it), but it
> must be very confusing.
> Perhaps we should try and seperate this somewhat more rigidly. Eg we
> could have a "released" version of all the things we want a project to
> do and/or comply with (this is our website) and we could have an
> "in progress" version of the same thing (this is what changes more
> rapidly). And *new proposals should be evaluated against the "released"
> one*.
> Interested or concerned ASF members popping up out of the blue every
> now and then (Re: the threads on members@ about this) should then be
> restricting themselves to discussing the general case, so that specific
> ones can be somewhat less contentious at the start, which is probably
> quite healthy from a community-building point of view. Communities
> starting off ever so slightly irritated at on-the-fly rulemaking seems
> an unhealthy thing.
> Perhaps we should have two mailing lists.
> </rant>
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