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From Bill Flood <>
Subject Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project)
Date Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:43:56 GMT
Noel, there are really two aspects to what is being discussed here as I
observe it - willingness to work together and the Apache process.  It seems
everybody has exhibited a willingness to work together although from their
own particular vantage point of the same elephant :-).

It's all rather interesting that a formal proposal has so much support but
is blocked on what seem to be procedural grounds.  If we can resolve the
"process" log jam through established means the other "collaboration" issues
(puns intended) will be resolved within the community formed around Ode.

If you are asking me if Sybase will cooperate with the Ode project, my
answer is clearly yes because the Sybase contributors helped author the
proposal.  I'll even take credit for the sad name but a lot of other people
have energy behind this effort and the key issues at hand are clearly less
about Sybase or PXE and more about Apache.

If you are asking me if Ode belongs in some specific area of Apache, I'd
like to defer to the Apache process for a while longer so as not to break
the process inadvertently or seek to change the process prematurely if it is
already broken.  I appreciate some latitude for a bit on this point for the
sake of the other proposal stake holders.

On 2/15/06, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> Bill,
> > we do seem to be coming together in prinicipal but it might be best to
> > achieve our "fresh start" in the practical context of Ode given the
> > support exhibited by other folks on the submission.
> Am I correct that you are willing to see a new project, Ode, formed that
> will start with code seeded from Sybase, PXE and Agila?  I note your
> comment
> from last week:
> > we could start with a new project and integrate any additional value
> > from Agila towards that so that you don't lose anything.
> and your comment today welcoming the PXE contribution to Ode.
>         --- Noel
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