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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: BPEL contribution from Sybase
Date Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:25:51 GMT
Dain Sundstrom wrote:

> I think ServiceMix is the perfect home for a BPEL engine.  Every
> JBI implementation that I am aware of has and integrated orchestration
> engine exposed via the BPEL specification.

If every JBI implementation has an integrated orchestration engine, then we
should factor out the orchestration engine.  Furthermore, as per the JBI
Specification, "Java Business Integration JSR (JBI) extends J2EE and J2SE
with business integration SPIs. These SPIs enable the creation of a Java
business integration environment for specifications such as WSCI, BPEL4WS
and the W3C Choreography Working Group."  JBI is applicable outside the
context of J2EE.  So if ServiceMix is intended to be embedded exclusively in
Geronimo (the subject of a whole other discussion), JBI should be available

Also, we already have two engines in the Incubator, with two more pending,
so we may have three implementations of BPEL.  I would expect to see at
least one of them close down, and would like to see the orchestration
communities merge, if possible.

I've heard nothing to provide a reason for not bringing in the contribution
as a standalone podling, which ServiceMix and others can consume.  This
would be in accord with Ken and Mads.

On a related note, I believe that we need to evaluate projects for
graduation based in part on how well the community collaborates with other
ASF projects, and become part of the ASF community.  I don't consider
ghettos to be healthy for the ASF, no matter how internally successful.

	--- Noel

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