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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: Ode Proposal (Sybase BPEL engine donation))
Date Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:56:02 GMT

> Since you brought this public, I'll post my response along with you
> original email.  I hope you don't mind...

I don't, but you might have also included my reply.  :-)

> There is no need for the Incubator PMC to sponsor.  The Geronimo
> PMC will sponsor the project.

As I had replied to you there, a need has been clearly indicated by
sentiments expressed by people on the Incubator list.  That has been
reiterated today.

The Incubator must foster collaborative development.  In this case that
means providing what will be perceived as a neutral playing ground, where no
one feels disadvantaged.  No one should ever feel disadvantaged in an ASF
project.  The fact that Geronimo's involvement is driving much of the
contention is as disturbing to me as to you, and is important to resolve,
but is also outside the scope of this discussion.

It is entirely unfair to Sybase and the other contributors to pitch them
into the middle of whatever ancillary issues need resolving, and so that's
going to end now by the simple expedient of having the project sponsored by
the Incubator.

Although I would vastly prefer a single collaborating community, we could
create seperate projects for Ode and PXE.  However, Bill Flood just made it
quite clear to me that he would prefer to have a single project combining
the best of each contributions, and that appears to be Intalio's preference
as well, so that's what we'll do, and see where it goes.

	--- Noel

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