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From Paul Fremantle <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project
Date Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:45:11 GMT

I'm sure you want a single strong community around JBI. But a BPEL is a
specification that is completely independent of JBI and indeed of Java.
If you make the argument that everything that can be potentially used as a
JBI component is part of ServiceMix then you pretty much include every part
of the JBI stack.

A BPEL server is an excellent project for Apache. I for one am very excited
about the possibility of engaging in that project . I'm very keen for Sybase
to donate this code. But you can make it integrate closely into ServiceMix
without it being tightly coupled.


On 2/3/06, James Strachan <> wrote:
> On 3 Feb 2006, at 13:02, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > There are 2 problems:
> > - As a Geronimo PMC member i feel a BPEL implemenation is out-of-scope
> > of what i voted for when i +1'ed incubation for ServiceMix.
> The proposal for ServiceMix clearly says...
> its a JBI container and component suite. An orchestration engine is a
> JBI component so I see this as perfectly within scope. In your vote
> you never enumerated what JBI components the ServiceMix project could
> and could not develop. Could you maybe give us a list now of what
> components you did vote for?
> > I don't
> > like what's happening and the way you are doing it.
> Sorry about that, we're trying to fix it
> > - Secondly, there just isnt enough information to make a decision one
> > way or another. A proposal would clear up things like what the
> > "supposed" community thinks about a road map for the future say "BPEL
> > 2.0"
> >
> > So, bottom line, Please draw up a new proposal for a separate project.
> So here's the thing; no-one involved (the folks donating the code and
> the committers on the ServiceMix project) want a new project. We all
> want to work in the single JBI project, ServiceMix where the JBI
> container and JBI components live and are developed, documented and
> tested together. We want a single, strong community around JBI.
> James
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