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From "Trustin Lee" <>
Subject Re: Cayenne ASF Proposal
Date Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:46:16 GMT
Hi Thomas!

It has been a long time since we met at ApacheCon US 2005.  :)

On 2/26/06, Thomas Dudziak <> wrote:
> On 2/25/06, Brian McCallister <> wrote:
> > Andrus and Bill initially opened discussion on general@db. I
> > suggested they aim for a top level project status for a few reasons:
> >
> > * Cayenne already has an mature ASF-style structure and community
> > (reportedly =)
> > * There are ~subprojects (the gui tool, etc) in Cayenne, and sub-sub-
> > projects seem to be frowned upon
> > * DB is getting kind of umbrella shaped already
> >
> > That said, I am very willing to broach the subject of sponsorship
> > with the DB PMC, I just figure the discussion of the best way to
> > proceed makes more sense here. I think that Cayenne would prefer to
> > be a top level project, in the end, and I agree with that goal. The
> > best way to help that happen... well, we're discussing all that =)
> Personally, I'd prefer to have Cayenne in DB rather than as a separate
> TLP, mainly for communication reasons with DB-related projects. E.g. I
> don't see that much communication between the DB projects and, say,
> iBatis or the Geronimo DB stuff (thuogh that might be because I'm not
> actively involved in all DB projects). And IMO DB being an umbrella is
> quite a different thing than for instance Jakarta, though that's
> another issue.
> That being said, whether Cayenne will be a TLP or a DB subproject is
> not important until it graduates from incubation, right ? And I'm +1
> on incubating it with the DB PMC as sponsor.

Here's my +1.  Makes perfect sense.

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