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From "Alan Cabrera" <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] approve a milestone release of ActiveMQ?
Date Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:03:55 GMT
I going to blame our lawyers for this.  (That's my story and I'm stickn' to it!  :)

Let's pause this thread and level set on this after Jim confirms the faxes that I sent today
and I update the pages that Noel has pointed out.  


------Original Message------
From: Noel J. Bergman
Sent: Feb 1, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: [VOTE] approve a milestone release of ActiveMQ?

James Strachan wrote:

> >   * I don't see a Software Grant for any of the code that came
> >     over from codehaus.

FYI, Alan indicates that one was sent a month ago, but we have no record of

> I thought that software grants were only for contributions to
> existing projects from commercial organisations?

> If we've done the paperwork & the code is all licensed to Apache

IP clearance is one of the major activities that we need to address in the
Incubator, and since IANAL, I err on the side of conservatism unless
informed otherwise.  At the moment we are told that any substantial,
externally developed, codebase requires a Software Grant.  The Software
Grant is the paperwork I was looking for, which provides that license to the
ASF.  If the VP of Legal Affairs, or one of our lawyers, wants to say that
all of your code was properly assigned to the ASF by other means, I'm sure
that we'd accept a record of that determination.

Also, apparently, there may be committers to that codebase who have no CLA
on file.

> I see no mention of Software Grant on the incubation policy...

It is obscure on that page.  Under Minimum Exit Requirements - Legal is a
line item saying that the license grant must be complete (there is a typo on
that page).

See also:

> >   * I have no problem with the tarballs, but the plain jars do
> >     not have the disclaimer associated with them.

> How should the disclaimer be associated?

Well, this is a bit of an issue.  Why are the plain jars available?  To
allow automated downloads by Maven?  I have an issue with that, since it
could allow people to use the code without knowing that it is in the
Incubator, but more to the point, we've had that discussion, and I don't
recall the resolution.

> I don't follow; what needs to be done to activemq.html

That is the official record for many of the things that you're recording on
the wiki.  There is nothing in the ASF that accepts a wiki as an official
document.  Source control systems only.  So periodically make sure that
you've updated that status file -- at a minimum quarterly, when you want a
release, or some other official action.

	--- Noel

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