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From Kenneth Tam <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate Tuscany SOA Project
Date Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:59:16 GMT
On 12/5/05, robert burrell donkin <> wrote:
> On 12/5/05, Jeremy Boynes <> wrote:
> >
> > Roy T.Fielding wrote:
> > >
> > > No, the proposal is all about SOA.  What you are saying is that the
> > > *actual plan* is about SCA.  What I am saying is that the proposal
> > > needs to match the actual plan, preferably a plan that is actionable,
> > > rather than a statement of how happy the SOA community may someday be.
> > >
> > > I think everyone understands that now, yet nobody has updated the wiki.
> > > There's no rush, I guess, but I do want to be clear that an e-mail
> > > exchange is not the same as recording a mission statement that people
> > > outside the proposal authors will understand.
> >
> > I held off making changes as I thought discussing a moving target would
> > be confusing. I have now updated the proposal on the wiki expanding the
> > Rationale section to indicate that we will be implementing the SCA
> > specifications starting from an initial contribution.
> [ ... ]
> personally speaking, I'd prefer something more declarative with a new and
> better first paragraph. it's hard to build a community around a project
> which takes three paragraphs to get to the point. IMHO the first two
> paragraphs reads (to me) more like justifying a business case and less like
> a call to arms for developers ;)

I've rewritten the rationale to be substantially more direct:

Robert's point is well taken, as we've been socializing this idea in
various circles and justifying a business case was definitely a part
of some of those discussions.  I understand that is not the primary
concern here and should probably have dealt with that earlier, mea

Roy, does this address your concerns over excessive vagueness and lack
of a crisp statement of a common development goal?


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