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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: Is the incubator out of control?
Date Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:46:40 GMT
Ted Leung wrote:

> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > The merits of the particular proposal aside

> > We should always be judging the merits of each proposal.
> > Failing to do so might well be part of the problem.

> How is this possible when any other PMC can vote to bring a project
> in without approval of the incubator PMC?  Just look at the raft of
> projects being brought in via Geronimo and the WS PMC.   There's not
> a thing I can do, regardless of the merits.  The only thing I can say
> is whether or not their community is good enough to merit graduation.

When I say "We", above, I meant the ASF.  All of the PMCs have a
responsibility to the Foundation.  But are you going to say that the
Incubator PMC should be judging the performance of the other PMCs in living
up to their obligations?

> > And we require disclaimers and clear notice that projects ARE in
> > the Incubator.  Look at how the folks are complaining that we
> > are trying to make the projects look different by being in the
> > Incubator.  They ARE  different.  And they MUST be Incubator
> > branded, and follow Incubation rules.

> Most people in the world are unaware of the difference between an
> incubated project and an Apache project.

And we have to correct that lack of awareness.

> Roy has also stated that once a project is in the incubator it
> ought to be regarded as an Apache project.

I wouldn't take Roy's comment out of context.  I don't believe that he means
it the way that you imply above.

	--- Noel

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