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From Ted Leung <>
Subject Is the incubator out of control?
Date Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:50:28 GMT
On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Martin Cooper wrote:

> Personally, I am less than happy at seeing yet another large project
> proposed from a corporate source (and IBM at that), along with a  
> dozen new
> committers who have not earned their merit at the ASF as most  
> committers
> have. I feel the ASF is losing its way, and becoming a repository for
> corporate open-sourcing along with taking on responsibility for  
> building
> communities around corporate code bases. I suspect I'm in the  
> minority at
> the ASF, and I'm undoubtedly in the minority here in the incubator.  
> But
> there doesn't seem to be a way for the incubator to say "no  
> thanks", other
> than by a podling failing the incubation process, and that seems  
> wrong to
> me.

The merits of the particular proposal aside,  I wanted to comment on  
this paragraph.   This year at ApacheCon I was surprised to find that  
a number of people also feel that the ASF is growing far too  
quickly.   I know that are some people who believe that the growth  
that we are experiencing is indicative of our success.   
Unfortunately, I don't agree with that.    I think that the  
incubation process is setting an incredibly low bar for access to the  
Apache brand name, and this is a bad thing.   Corporations see the  
value of the brand name, that's why they want to come here and are  
willing to put up with all our overhead.

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