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From Erik Abele <>
Subject Re: Is the incubator out of control?
Date Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:53:12 GMT
On 21.12.2005, at 21:57, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

> On Dec 21, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Ted Leung wrote:
>> How is this possible when any other PMC can vote to bring a  
>> project in without approval of the incubator PMC?  Just look at  
>> the raft of projects being brought in via Geronimo and the WS  
>> PMC.   There's not a thing I can do, regardless of the merits.   
>> The only thing I can say is whether or not their community is good  
>> enough to merit graduation.
> Right, and that's the only thing you are qualified to do.  You don't
> have the right to tell other people what they can or cannot do at
> the ASF.  You don't have the right to say that one project is more
> deserving of our resources than some other project.  What you do have
> is the right to be involved, to help their incubation (or not), and
> to vote against their graduation if you so desire.

So nobody has the right but you do? Or how can your smack-down of the  
Tuscany proposal be interpreted?

On 30.11.2005, at 21:43, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> As much as I would enjoy seeing two umbrella projects duel over
> an amorphous set of marketing terms invented by IBM, I think the
> ASF should be developing products, not architectural styles.
> Although, calling SOA an architectural style would imply that it has
> some constraints -- does anyone know what they are?
> I think we need to reorganize around federations, but that's a
> very long discussion that I have no time for right now.  We certainly
> don't need more than one WS/SOA federation.
> Please make the proposal specific to a single, technical product
> line that has objective criteria against which you can make basic
> decisions about what to release and when it is ready to release.
> That way we aren't just sponsoring a bunch of individuals, each
> working on their own solo project within an opaque mist of vague
> relationships.

So why don't you get involved instead or vote against their  
graduation if you so desire?

Sorry, I may be a pain in the ass, but that's all very conflictive  


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