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From Geir Magnusson Jr <>
Subject Re: Is the incubator out of control?
Date Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:21:59 GMT

Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On 12/29/05, Greg Stein <> wrote:
>>If another PMC decides a project should be incubated, they must
>>provide the people to make that happen (so we achieve proper scaling
>>and to put the effort on those who want the results). The Incubator
>>can't refuse the project outright, but if the STATUS page or
>>proposal/charter or whatever doesn't meet the guidelines, then the
>>Incubator can certainly require that it be amended. But you should not
>>simply be able to kill it outright.
> +1.  I think that's an important distinction to make.
> Proposals should require the "advice and consent" of the Incubator
> PMC.  I agree that while the Incubator PMC shouldn't be able to kill
> the project, they can and should be able to say "Your charter sucks. 
> Rewrite it.  We won't sign off until that happens."
> It's about the form than the content.  Roy's comments about Tuscany
> proposal are what I'd characterize in this mold. 

Agreed, but the Tuscany proposal was an independent proposal, not 
sponsored (at the time) by any PMC.

> The Incubator PMC
> should also be able to make a judgment ("certification"?) of the
> process proposed by the PMC - such as whether a code base should be
> under full incubation or just use the IP clearance form.
> I think that making it clear that the Incubator PMC can do this would
> go a long way to addressing some of the concerns already mentioned. 

Agreed - although in general, if a PMC just ignored the input of the 
Incubator PMC on a PMCs suggested incubation, it's an indication of a 
problem anyway...


> -- justin
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