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From Dan Diephouse <>
Subject Re: AJAX Toolkit Framework Proposal
Date Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:17:55 GMT
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>>> - why incubate an Ajax library that none of the current ASF projects 
>>> uses nor plans to use, unless I missed something?
>> It is a valid question, but it is also valid to point out that the 
>> ASF has projects as diverse as TCL and SpamAssassin.
> The situation is very different here: several projects are integrating 
> Ajax features and incidentally found that they were considering the 
> same framework for that purpoe. Whereas none of the ASF projects was 
> already envisioning close integration with a spam filter when 
> SpamAssassin came to Apache.
> That could even end up with the funny (ahem) situation where Apache 
> has an Ajax framework that isn't used by its Ajax-enabled server-side 
> frameworks. Doesn't it sound weird?
I don't think this is weird at all. This may be off topic (or missing 
the point), but why do the ASF projects have to be one coherent product 
suite? Do they have to all tie together?  Sure tie-ins are great, but 
not everything needs to be related or play nice together. We have plenty 
of examples of competing projects (see struts, beehive, turbine, 
tapestry, etc).

I think Sam summed it up great when he said:

>> What is more important is considerations that the code be licensed 
>> with the Apache Software License (not dual licensed, like Dojo), that 
>> the committer bases be diverse, and operate in an open and 
>> collaborative model.
I think this is right on with the ASF philosophy [1]:

While there is not an official list, these six principles have been 
cited as the core beliefs of philosophy behind the foundation, which is 
normally referred to as "The Apache Way":

    * collaborative software development
    * commercial-friendly standard license
    * consistently high quality software
    * respectful, honest, technical-based interaction
    * faithful implementation of standards
    * security as a mandatory feature

I think there is a space for any and all projects that meet the above 

- Dan


Dan Diephouse
Envoi Solutions LLC

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