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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: Is the incubator out of control?
Date Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:32:58 GMT
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 03:45, Rich Bowen wrote:
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > On Friday 23 December 2005 16:23, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> >> I'm all in favor of enforcing a strict embargo until the Incubator PMC
> >> approves a proposal, an initial code drop lands, and the mailing lists
> >> are created.  Until those happen, any active publicity claiming it to be
> >> a part of the ASF is a flat-out lie.
> >
> > So, that means disqualifying for Incubation and no chance of moving the
> > project to ASF??
> It means, IMHO, that they don't yet "get it." Since the purpose of the
> Incubator is to ensure that folks do indeed "get it", it would be
> unfortunate to disqualify for entrance anyone who has demonstrated that
> they don't in fact already get it.
> So, no, I'd say that this does not disqualify them for entrance. It does
>   mean, however, that someone must approach them and instruct them on
> the ways in which their actions demonstrate a lack of getting it. 

IMVHO, Justin's "in favour of enforcing a strict embargo" doesn't sound like 
"hit their fingers and say 'Bad boy!', followed by a hug". A simple matrix of 
act/consequence can be published on Incubator website, but isn't it necessary 
to have some significant deterents? Otherwise, "flat-out lie" will be 
accompanied with a "flat-out defiance".

> It seems that this process is already underway, via Ted.

I thought we were speaking "in general" and "pro-actively", since retro-active 
measures are not really serving ASF either.


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