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From Davanum Srinivas <>
Subject Re: Is the incubator out of control?
Date Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:53:31 GMT
+1 to 3 ASF Members/Officers as mentors
+1 to require Incubator PMC vote for *ALL* incoming projects
+1 to require Incubator PMC vote even on simpler IP imports


On 12/28/05, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> Steven Noels wrote:
> > The Incubator PMC only needs to care about IP and legal blahblah,
> > thus the receiving PMCs are tasked with community and brand abuse
> > stuff.
> Not true.  If there is community development, the Incubator PMC had better
> be involved.  We're going to have to adjust things, such as Mentorship and
> votes to leave the Incubator, e.g.,
>   - a minimum of 3 ASF Members and/or Officers who have differing
>     corporate affiliations as Mentors per project.  The sponsoring
>     PMC must identify those ASF Members.  Projects who lose one or
>     more sponsors -- even if they just go quiet -- must make sure
>     that they regain the minimum of 3.  Existing projects that are
>     not meeting the quorum will not be permitted to release any
>     code, regardless of otherwise meeting Incubator release guidelines.
>   - the Board will determine if there is an Incubator PMC vote to
>     accept a new project, but at the moment, any PMC can vote to
>     bring a new project into the Incubator, assuming that they
>     otherwise meet the guidelines.  There are still guidelines
>     regarding candidacy, and the Board will be encouraged to
>     take a dim view of any PMC trying to game the system.
>   - the Incubator PMC having the sole vote on all graduations from
>     the Incubator.  The target PMC votes to accept first, and then
>     notifies us that they are ready for our vote.
> It is a talking point, but we may have to perform that vote even on simpler
> IP imports, just to prevent gaming the system, e.g., "well, it's not really
> a new project".  Actually, all of those are talking points.
>         --- Noel
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