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From Davanum Srinivas <>
Subject Re: Is the incubator out of control?
Date Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:48:08 GMT

it's not just a question of content and significance. It's also a
question of fitting with existing projects and check to make sure that
the project still adheres to the the charter of the PMC. These are
better checked by outsiders ("Incubator PMC"), since the insiders ("WS
PMC") may be biased.

Another thing i can think of is, for example, when HTTPComponents (by
internal people) was being set up there was resistance from tomcat
folks. But the scope got resolved by active participation by folks
from tomcat and jakarta pmcs. IMHO, this will not happen if a PMC
already voted to accept something even before Incubator PMC knows
about it (not to mention the other PMC's who may significant input).


On 12/23/05, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
> Jim Jagielski wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 22, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> >
> >> On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Erik Abele wrote:
> >>
> >>> So nobody has the right but you do? Or how can your smack-down of
> >>> the Tuscany proposal be interpreted?
> >>
> >> Because Tuscany was proposed to the incubator PMC (not another PMC)
> >> and I do have a vote here.
> >
> > It's interesting to note that if Dims would have, as he suggested
> > in one of his Email messages, to simply have the WS PMC vote
> > on the proposal as is, and it would have passed it, Roy's
> > concerns would have been totally moot. So no matter how good
> > or vague the proposal, if voted on by a PMC, it's allowed.
> A bunch of hypotheticals in there.
> If the WS-PMC had voted to approve a proposal that was "empty of
> significant content", then I would question the viability of that PMC.
> But as it is, that never happened.  A draft proposal was created, it was
> reviewed by others, updated, and the objection based on lack of content
> was dropped.  That could very well have happened in the WS PMC as well
> as here.
> - Sam Ruby
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