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From Kenneth Tam <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate Tuscany SOA Project
Date Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:04:50 GMT
Hi Noel,

(I worked with Jeremy on the proposal, and this seems like a good
place to chime in)

If by "merge", you mean consolidate the projects organizationally, we
debated approaching e.g. the WS PMC with this first but decided that
it ultimately make more sense to just come to the incubator and have
the discussion here.

My take is that the existing codebases involved and the shorter/medium
term problems they're trying to solve are distinct enough that it
makes sense to let them evolve somewhat independently while
encouraging opportunistic integration.. having had some brief
exchanges w/ Dims & Sanjiva re: the relationship between this
proposal, Synapse, ServiceMix etc, we certainly plan to take advantage
of as many existing projects as possible.  If given the opportunity
and some time, it turns out to make sense to most of the folks
involved that the Tuscany work ought to live under an existing PMC or
be rolled into an existing project, that's great.

Specifically, I think the goal of providing a language/platform
neutral service assembly layer that's backed by an extensible set of
app developer models (with a shared conceptual framework) for specific
languages/technologies, is something distinct here.  Stuff like
figuring out how to work with e.g. ServiceMix being built around JBI,
a Java-centric standard, is definitely in the plan and seems like the
kind of work that would be appropriate to do while incubating.

On 11/30/05, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> Jeremy,
> How does this proposal fit with other ESB/SOA projects currently underway at
> the ASF?  At first glance, there appears to be overlap, so I am wondering if
> there a plan / opportunity to merge them.
>         --- Noel
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