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From Cliff Schmidt <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate Derby from the incubator
Date Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:59:28 GMT
On 4/18/05, Rodent of Unusual Size <> wrote:
> Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> >
> > Wouldn't "how can we increase the number of new developers on Derby while
> > still in incubation" a better question to ask?
> I think only if the answer to 'does Derby need more committers before
> it can graduate' is 'yes.'  Participation is growing nicely, but the Derby
> PPMC is being careful not to hand out commit access like candy.

I definitely don't think the PPMC should lower the standard for commit
access, nor do I think the Incubator PMC should lower the standard for
Incubator graduation.

I'm really surprised we're even talking about graduation before Derby
has met the most basic rule of three independent committers (didn't we
just have a thread on this a few weeks ago about log4net?).  Once that
has been met, I'd expect a discussion about whether the project has
the kind of community that could continue to maintain and evolve the
project even if one individual / company stopped contributing to it.

I know that there are different opinions on the second point, but I
believe the three committer rule is pretty widely agreed upon.

> I guess the basic question would be, 'Does keeping Derby in the incubator
> add any value anywhere?'  At this point I feel moderately strongly that
> it doesn't, but that's just me -- and I can be convinced otherwise. :-)

I'm primarily concerned about the devaluation of the Apache brand by
lowering our standards for what it means to have a strong, diverse


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