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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release
Date Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:46:21 GMT
Leo Simons wrote:
> Noel, have your concerns been addressed?

I think so.  They've been addressed in that they've been discussed.  Steven
has been watching Lenya closely, particularly recently, and seems convinced
that there has been a sea change in that community.  Whether or not it
sticks remains to be seen.

> Feel like changing your mind?

What makes you think I had made it up before?  :-)  I was asking questions
because I wanted both answers and discussion of the issues.  From the
discussion, I feel most of the participants grasp the issues and concerns.

I'm not going to agree that Lenya should release early and often, but if
they want to put out a clearly marked incubation build as a "technology
preview", and since they are finally going through the right procedure, I
think we can accommodate that request.

Mind you, building an end-user community is not an incubation priority.  We
care about IP and development community, and the latter ought to be able to
participate directly from source control.  Specifically, a comment like "it
is important to get out official (incubation) release files soon since users
and developers are waiting for a release to base their productive
environments on" makes me nervous.  We don't want people assuming that code
in the Incubator has the same imprimatur as code from ASF projects.  I try
to avoid the term "release" in connection with anything related to the
Incubator because in Jakarta terminology, a "Release Build" is an official
production package, and that is not going to come from the Incubator.  The
focus ought to be on being able to leave the incubator, not putting out
builds.  But insofar as having feedback helps to build the developer
community, that's worth supporting, IMO, so long as the nature of being in
the Incubator is properly marked and explained.

I was just looking over  Seems
to be about right.  Rolf should see, which is a peer of where
Lenya will probably go.  Putting it under conveys less
of an official nature than putting it, and we don't need
to put it out on the mirroring system unless we're expecting many 100s of

	--- Noel

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