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From Rolf Kulemann <>
Subject RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release
Date Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:18:09 GMT
On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 01:14, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Steven,
> I am having some difficulty reconciling some of your comments, so please
> take the time to clarify for my (and judging from Gianugo Rabellino's
> comments, that of others) benefit.
> Fair warning: this message is likely to come across as harsh.  That is NOT
> directed at you.  Nor at any other individual.  Even if I wanted to, which
> is neither my intent nor the Apache way, I do not know enough about what has
> been going on with Lenya to direct criticisms at individuals.
> Steven Noels wrote:
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > What is your take on the readiness of Lenya to leave the Incubator,
> > > and on the question of putting out a milestone?  Just as a reminder,
> > > the distribution would have to be tagged as an incubator distribution,
> > > not an ASF release.
> > My take is that - at last, and pushed forward primarily by the group of
> > non-Wyona, newbie committers - the urgent need for release and exit has
> > been recognized and is in the process of being addressed adequately.
> > For one reason or another, this has never been pushed forward by the
> > original donators, but now, the momentum has changed to a positive
> > effect.
> > All this being considered, I'm +1 on release and consecutively exit
> > from the incubator.
> Leaving aside the fact that Lenya has posted several "RC" distributions to
> without proper process or approval, why is there an
> "urgent need for release"? 

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