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From David Jencks <>
Subject Re: donation of project
Date Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:26:51 GMT
While I certainly appreciate your concerns about releasing under a 
bsd/apache style license without a community, please also consider the 
difficulties of relicensing.   If you change the license from [L]GPL to 
bsd/apache, you will need to get something like written agreement from 
every contributor who, for example, contributed a fix to a typo in the 
javadoc:-).  Realistically, I think the only way to do this is to make 
people agree to the relicensing before you accept any contributions 
from them.  Having done this once, without such a pre-agreement, this 
is a hassle I wouldn't want to undertake again.

I've only been following this out of the corner of my eye, but I 
thought at least two incubator PMC members expressed considerable 
interest in this project.  It seems to me that this might be taken as 
an indication that three independent committers might be easy to find 
even within apache and so this project might actually be a reasonable 
incubation candidate.

Hope this doesn't muddy the waters too much,
david jencks

On Thursday, January 1, 2004, at 08:57 AM, Matt Liotta wrote:

> Thanks for all the responses. At this point, I am reluctant to release 
> the code under an Apache style license without a community behind it. 
> I don't want to see our code go into some proprietary project and 
> never benefit the community because the actual open release was 
> handled incorrectly. Right now my thinking is that we will release the 
> code under the GPL and put it up on Sourceforge. The GPL will protect 
> the code from being used in proprietary projects for the short-term 
> while allowing an open source community to develop. Should such a 
> community develop, I am very interested in relicensing our work under 
> the Apache license and donating it to the Apache Foundation.
> Any thoughts on the above? Again, I am most interested in seeing this 
> project under the Apache umbrella to ensure that the Java community 
> benefits, so any thoughts on best how to accomplish that in regard to 
> the above concern would be appreciated.
> On a side note, I did contact the Eclipse project to see if they were 
> interested, but our use of Swing pretty much ended those 
> conversations. I am also trying to convince Sun that they should 
> include the code in the JDK as they already have similar functionality 
> albeit out of date.
> Matt Liotta
> Montara Software, Inc.
> On Dec 28, 2003, at 6:40 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
>> Hi Matt,
>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>> > Nicola wrote:
>>>> I am personally very interested in this, having worked on a similar 
>>>> project. In any case, it's a very interesting thing for Java in 
>>>> general to have such a component opensourced. Because of this, I 
>>>> will see to do all I can to help you.
>> +1 (which means "me too" in this context :D)
>>> Indeed, the proposal doesn't seem to be inline with the document in 
>>> two ways. First, there is no active development community for it. 
>>> Second, while the project was originally commercial in nature, we 
>>> are no longer doing development on it as it currently suits our 
>>> needs. That is not to say that we won't do bug fixes and other 
>>> maintenance to it, but we just don't have any active development 
>>> happening on it anymore.
>> I suggest you create a zip file/tarball with all the source code,
>> the apache license in it (and as the header for all the 
>> sourcefiles)[1], and
>> post this somewhere on your company website (don't need to publish
>> the link). Next, we set up a sourceforge project, or better yet, just 
>> use
>> an existing project there where the code fits (like
>> and have Nicola put the code up there.
>> We'll make a little noise around the OSS java community, see if this
>> attracts some interest, if it has the potential of becoming a real 
>> project.
>> If so, we'll start incubation.
>> Why not start incubation immediately? IMHO, we need to get a feel
>> for the code and the people involved with the code first.
>> cheers,
>> - Leo Simons
>> [1] -
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