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From Tetsuya Kitahata <>
Subject Re: [RT] Learning from the facts ( Re: Undermining the Incubator )
Date Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:14:56 GMT
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:20:26 -0500 (EST)
Rich Bowen wrote:

> When a skilled worker goes to work for a new company, they go through a
> period of probation to ensure that they fit in the new company. This
> does not question their skills, it merely ensures that the person fits
> into the new company.


(0.) Accredited ASF Brother/Sister Project -- internship newbies
 1.  Incubated Project -- newly-hired employees
 2.  Proper ASF Project -- normal employees

Oh, maybe nice analogy :)

# Often employers would omit (1) process... given perfect internship
# programs were provided. The point is -- affinity and trust.

> Is this about the name "incubator", or is there more to it than that?

This is a deduction from my observations:
.. It might be due to the history of this mailing list. 15 months ago.
As far as I could see, there were so many
it seemed. The matter is worse, this list is open to anyone, so 
new comers download(s|ed) the archives of this mailing list.
They might become utterly confused ...
(AAMOF, i was one of the victims of such confusions :)

The root of the evil might be the "fear" to the invisible entities ...
Oh, this can be described as "blind-dog sympthons" or such ... maybe :)

> Yes, we should take very seriously the feedback of the folks that have
> been through this process, and we should evolve based on that feedback.

I am sure that Leo's approach is/was very nice. Nice case study.
Leo perfectly made invisible entities hidden in veils of mystery
visible as well as formed a nice *path* for those who follow after.

> Perhaps a practical solution here is to strongly encourage mature
> projects to remain entirely outside the Apache infrastructure during
> this period. That allows them to continue functioning as a mature
> project, and not in any way be hindered by the move until such time as
> there is a recognizable benefit to moving.

(0.) Accredited ASF Brother/Sister Project -- internship
might be a better approach.


-- Tetsuya. (

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