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From Rodney Waldhoff <>
Subject Re: incubation requirements for axion at apache db?
Date Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:40:40 GMT
Can someone please address the following questions?

Assuming the Apache DB PMC approves Axion as a new subproject:

1) Other than the attribution of copyright to the ASF, the switch to the
ASL, and the submission of a signed CLA for those that haven't already
done so, what specfic criteria/goals need to be met in order to
succesfully complete incubation?  I.e., how do we know when it is time to
call for a vote on "graduation"?

2) What timeframe can we expect this to happen in?  E.g., assuming
"confirm that the community has adopted the Apache voting rules and is
otherwise following the Apache guidelines" is one such criterion, and that
the Axion team believes this criterion to be already met, what/how long
does it take to complete this step?  Is someone from the incubator going
to poke through the [VOTE] threads in the archives?  Is there some period
of time that the incubator will need to "observe" the project in action?

The <> page notes some, primarily
legal, requirements for exiting the incubator, but leaves open some
questions that need to be addressed, at least in part, by the incubator
PMC itself.  Notably,

"2. The expected timeframe that the podling will stay in the incubator.
This is determined by mutual consent among the community of the podling,
the graduation PMC of the project to which the codebase and community will
move at the end of incubation (if any), and the Incubator PMC."


"3. The "graduation requirements" for leaving the Incubator. Basically,
what are the pre-defined goals that must be met before the podling can
leave the Incubator?"

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:

> Ok, well, that's a procedural response, similar to the one available on
> the incubator site, and is helpful as such, but I was also hoping to
> understand the process in practice.  That is, what are the criteria by
> which the incubator PMC determines whether or not a project is ready for
> "graduation"?  Are there prerequisites outside of the formal voting and
> the identification of a "mentor"?  What's to stop us from, say, calling
> for a vote on "graduation" right now?
> A couple of specific questions:
> 1) Given that (a) Axion was specifically mentioned as one of the seed
> projects in the Apache DB proposal approved by the ASF board, (b) Axion
> was founded by and remains largely composed of existing and often
> long-standing ASF members, committers, contributors and PMC members, and
> (c) Axion is a well established project that has been operating under
> guidelines and a license derived from and essentially equivalent to those
> of various ASF projects since it's inception, several members of the
> Apache DB PMC (myself included) have expressed the opinion that
> "incubation" of Axion is essentially a formality.  There seems to be
> little to gain from a protracted "incubation" process here.  Can the DB
> PMC recommend Axion for immediate "graduation"?  If not, what specific
> criteria and or prerequisites will need to be met?
> 2) Since Axion already has an established, publicly accessible
> infrastructure and is under active development, having to move the project
> twice in quick succession will be inconvenient at best.  Is it possible to
> "incubate" a project (whatever that means) from its current
> location--i.e., without moving the source repository, mailing lists, web
> site, etc.?
> Nicola wrote:
> > The incubation process, WRT responsibilities, is as follows:
> >
> > 1 - Any Apache PMC (project management commitee) or the Apache board
> > approves the entrance of a project at Apache. They are the Sponsoring
> > Entity.
> > 2 - The Incubator is from that moment on responsible for the project,
> > which will remain so till the Incubator votes for it to be "graduated"
> > to the PMC that asked for it. If the PMC was the Incubator itself or the
> > board, the project will have its own PMC.
> >
> > 3 - Incubation complete.
> >
> > > The Axion team would like to understand precisely what the incubation
> > > requirements and process, if any, is necessary for a move to the
> Apache DB
> > > project.
> >
> > Ok.
> >
> > So, since you would like to have a place under the DB Project, ask there
> > to vote for acceptance. After that vote, you will automatically be under
> > the Incubator, and incubation will take place.
> >
> > You will then need a Mentor, that has to be an Apache member, that will
> > be responsible for your project and become part of this PMC for all the
> > incubation.
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