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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
Subject Re: Exit Criteria
Date Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:22:14 GMT
Steven Noels wrote:

> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>> Exactly.
>> The sponsoring PMC asks to have that project. This means that it 
>> *wants* that project and that community. Why would it change its mind?
> Because of things happening during incubation. What if a podling becomes 
> a mutant during incubation, in the best case changing directions, and 
> requiring a change of receiving PMC, in the worst case because the 
> podling becoming a Hulk creature? Will the podling linger in incubation 
> forever, if the Incubation PMC and the receiving PMC differ in their 
> judgment about failure?

I really think that this is a wild example. I really think that the 
Incubator PMC would not declare success of a Hulk (TM) Project, unless 
we're all nuts ;-)

As for changing PMC that's another point, that happens with other 
projects too, and can be treated in the same way.

>>> In that case (and I hope I'm wrong), why is the receiving PMC 
>>> involved then?
>> Eh? In the same way the shepherd is, the sponsor is, etc. They are 
>> involved in helping out and seeing that the incubated project becomes 
>> *part* of the community.
> Exactly. But failure *is* an option, I hope?

Failure of Incubation, yes.

If a project cannot work well with the Sponsor PMC it's a failure, the 
Incubator will not agree to make it go. It may decide to swith targets, 
but imposing a project on non-willing PMC is simply out of question.

It's part of judging if the Incubation is succesfull.

For example, for Lenya I'm wondering if Cocoon is the right place for 
them, as I've not seen much involvment. I'll wait and see, but for now I 
would not vote for exit as there is not much integration.

Nicola Ken Barozzi         
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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