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From Danny Angus <>
Subject Re: incubator, exit and publication
Date Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:46:39 GMT


"At the end of the day we need to address the issue of wht rights the
Incubator PMC has to endorce the publication of an artifact generated by
a project prior to the exit of said project from the incubator.
Publication by a Sponoring Entiry is a different subject - but
publication by the Incubator is a loaded question."

Surely the incubator has the right a-priori.
The incubator PMC is charged with responsibility for releases, and the
podling has accepted to be bound by the PMC.
As long as the release itself is legal the PMC has the right to exert its
Only if the release would legally compromise the ASF would the Incubator
PMC be bound to veto the release, whether or not any formal process has
been followed to ensure legality.
The PMC isn't bound to enforce a process leading to legality, but to
enforce the legality itself.

If we assume the PMC actually do take an interest in the podling and will
make the effort to ensure that code is correctly licenced etc. then why on
earth would they not have the right to sanction a release on their own

This is not a democracy. The code is Open Source but that doesn't mean that
the processes have to be, the ASF is a corporation after all, and tries to
run as a meritocracy, surely one key feature of a meritocracy and a
sucessful corporation is that you give responsibility to people who have
proved themselves, you *trust* them to make an honest job of things, and
you sack them if they don't deliver (or sue their little asses)?


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