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From "Sander Striker" <>
Subject RE: ASF member role - accountable to whom
Date Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:59:34 GMT
> From: Tetsuya Kitahata []
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:47 PM

> On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:21:07 +0200
> "Sander Striker" <> wrote:
> > Please, do not post stats of any kind to say something about merit.
> Okay, Sander. I will not. I promise.


> By the way,
> > Same for posts;
> > it's quality and quantity.  And stats don't measure quality.
> How can you measure the quantity? Do you guys have nice 
> *scientific* tools? To tell the truth, I have already
> posted to mailing lists (including jakarta/xml/ws/http...)
> around 1,000 (I've counted it up... today :-).
> Yes, I have a nice *tool* for these kind of things, however, 
> I am afraid you do not have.

Personally, I don't measure quantity at all.  I'm not sure who does.

> In such situation, (and I am embodin' cross-project participation)
> how can you measure *my* participation in the activities?

Participation is subjective.  There is no science involved to be honest.
For the rest, we don't use stats.  If someone does something in
your project and you think "hey, that's really nice", that's what
sticks.  A few of those usually buys commit access.  Sustained
contributions over a longer period usually lead to addition to
the PMC*.  All pretty subjective.  The test is really if the
group is of the same mind.
> ... This is really *what* I've wanted to know, because half of the
> *ASF members* are parcitipating "only" mailing lists,

Because half of the ASF members are working on the HTTP Server project.
I'm sure you'll see a lot of members on the APR project aswell.  Both
PMC's have few people who aren't members.
> Please tell me. Gentlemen.


*)  with APR and HTTP Server.  Can't really speak for other projects.

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