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From "Sander Striker" <>
Subject RE: ASF member role - accountable to whom
Date Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:26:09 GMT
> From: Tetsuya Kitahata []
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 3:07 PM

> On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:28:06 +0200
> Stefano Mazzocchi <> wrote:
> > It might look, admittedly, strange that an ASF officer is not an ASF 
> > member, but for the PMC chair role, the person has been selected 
> > because he cares very much about one project: this doesn't make the 
> > person 'automatically' caring for the entire foundation.
> This is what I found it hard for me to comprehend. 
> The current *members* are caring for the "entire" foundation,
> including the jakarta/xml/ws/cocoon/james/maven/ant/db, etc.. ?

Caring for each and every individual project and caring for the
foundation as a whole are different things.  I don't even think
there is anyone with enough time on his hands to track each and
every project we have.  That's one of the reasons for the oversight
> If I have a confidence that all the "current" *members* are
> caring for the "entire" foundation, I would be sure that the Incubator
> project would also go well and be in successful (Because incubation
> requires the membership). If not, I am afraid Incubator Project
> itself would become just an obstacle.

You're missing the point I'm afraid.  The incubator is there to
prevent projects under our umbrella that are out of touch with the
thoughts of the foundation.  And also, to gate all the legal stuff
related to project adoption through one point.  When the incubator
was proposed I hoped it could serve to guide new committers to find
their way around the ASF aswell.

If we would allow projects to become ASF projects 'without obstacles',
we might aswell open a sourceforge like portal.


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