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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project
Date Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:52:59 GMT

On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 03:40  PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

> Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> Without a clear sense of responsibility, the end result
>> are that podlings are essentially left on their own and
>> "every" Incubator member thinks someone else is
>> doing the oversight.  :/
> I really thought that I had provided a clearer picture than that.  Who 
> has
> the "clear sense of responsibility" for each TLP on the ASF Board?  My 
> view,
> or proposal if you will, seems analogous.  For each podling, there 
> shall
> exist an ASF Member acting as shephard.  That ASF Member shall work 
> with,
> and report to, the Incubator PMC specifically in support of that 
> podling's
> oversight.  Does that not provide a clear sense of responsibility?  It 
> is
> certainly a lot more scalable, and the ASF Member sponsoring the 
> podling
> ought to be familar with the project domain, which is more than you can
> fairly ask of an arbitrary PMC member.
> This also fits in with what Ted just said.  He is shepharding XMLBeans 
> on
> behalf of the XML PMC.  They are, I hope, acting as an involved 
> parent, not
> just delegating to the Incubator PMC.  So Ted ought to be working with 
> the
> Incubator PMC to ensure that the latter is kept in the loop and 
> involved.

That is exactly what I said. It requires a shepherd; someone
who is the go-to/go-between.

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