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From Stefano Mazzocchi <>
Subject Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom
Date Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:10:53 GMT

On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, at 06:08 Europe/Rome, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:49:24 -0400
> (Subject: RE: ASF member role - accountable to whom)
> "Noel J. Bergman" <> wrote:
>>> "Meritocracy"?
>>> Here is a gooooood stats on this (general@incubator) mailing list.
>> Excuse me, but volume of messages has nothing to do with merit.
> Statistics would not tell a lie. No prejudice, no favoritism.

Utterly wrong. Statistics are numbers. Numbers don't imply meaning in 
an absolute way. It's not the numbers that are important, but the 
meaning that is associated to them.

> You can use statistics in *good* manner. Not "make bad use".

what? banchmarks have always had a different meaning depending on what 
side of the fence you look at them. I would say the opposite: it's hard 
to see statistics used in a good manner as they can be made to mean 
almost anything.

Counting email messages (just like counting CVS commits) has no merit 
meaning associated to them, just like Noel suggests citing Roy as an 

And one counter-example is enough to throw your model down the drain.

if you run agora instead, you'll see a different picture. yet, I was 
careful not to indicate any number, because numbers tend to irritate 
people since they are so easy to compare.

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