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From Stephen McConnell <>
Subject Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities
Date Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:43:30 GMT

Noel J. Bergman wrote:

>Actually, I think you had it right the first time.  The XML Project PMC
>should take the first responsibility to find someone where their
>representative to stop doing his role.

Actually - I disagree.

If I say that the Board is responsible.  What I am saying is that there 
is a shared responsibility on each and every member of the Board.  Now 
in reality, that means that responsibility is diluted because if a go to 
a Board Member and say - "hey - you are responsible" - the board member 
can say to me - "what!, no - I am a member of a group and it is the 
group that makes decisions - not I".  I then say - "so who is 
responsible for the group" and the member says to me -"go talk to the 
Chair".  So I go talk to the Chair - and I say to the Chair - "hey 
Chair, your responsible, here is the issue" - and the Chair doesn't 
reply to me for 14 days - but then I get a message - "Sorry Steve I 
can't do anything about this". 

So who is responsible and who is accountable?

In this scenario - the Chair is responsible and accountable (sorry Greg) 
;-)  It is the prerogative of the chair to return a decision directly, 
or, to reflect to me a decision of the members of the forum he/she 
represents.  Either way - the Chair reflects the Board responsibility 
and Greg carries the ultimate individual accountability.

Individual accountability is the subject here because we are talking 
about the engagement of Apache Members or Officers to positions of 
responsibility. And I, as a member of this community want to *assure* a 
complete line of accountability for said responsibility - cradle to grave.

Cheers, Steve.


Stephen J. McConnell

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