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From Rodent of Unusual Size <Ken.C...@Golux.Com>
Subject Re: roles and responsibilities
Date Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:39:20 GMT
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>   1) how do people get on the incubation PMC? any committer? only 
> members? members and officials? everybody committer that previously has 
> a record of helping incubation? just curious of what feelings are.

another good question.  i agree with roy that anyone with an official
role vis-a-vis a current podling should be on the pmc.

>   2) isn't the incubation more an oversight group, a task force, then a 
> project?

you seem to be harking back to 'projects produce code'.  i disagree with
that perspective; 'projects produce goodness for the asf' might be closer.
in this case, the incubator would be producing good asf citizens (projects
and communities).

>   3) shouldn't the sponsor PMC provide periodical updates on the status 
> to the incubator?

let's make sure we're agreed on terminology here.  so far, the terms
'sponsor', 'shepherd', and 'mentor' have been conflated.  my view is
that the latter two are the same and refer to a single individual, and
that a sponsor is either that same person or the asf project that has
said 'the podling has a home here when it's done.'

i am very much *not* in favour of a *pmc* fulfilling any other role than
that.  the most significant drawback is the apathy effect and lack of
clear delineation of responsibility.  'someone else' will handle doing
whatever needs to be done.  no, thank you.

my view is that a podling will have a single individual from the asf
who has committed to bringing it through incubation.  this person is
the one who nags the podling about filling out clas, doing the licence
and copyright thing and such, and advises the podling community about
how to adapt to the asf way of doing things (meritocracy, voting, et
cetera).  this individual also has the responsibility of keeping the
incubator pmc informed of progress and issues, and likewise is the
official conduit for bringing concerns and suggestions from the incubator
to the podling community.

what's the role of the incubator pmc in this?  at the least, it's a set
of passionate asf people who are essentially in agreement about what
makes something a genuine 'apache'-style project, who review the
reports of the mentors and make suggestions and eventually vote on
whether the podling has become self-sustaining in the 'apache way' of
doing things.  in a more perfect world, the pmc members will involve
themselve more deeply than that in at least some of the podlings, so
they can observe at first hand, possibly providing guidance at first
hand (though preferably through the mentor).

what's the role of a 'sponsoring pmc' in this?  solely as an observer
until the podling graduates.

what's the role of a sponsoring project in this?  to help out, to whatever
degree they severally desire, in educating their soon-to-be neighbours
in specific details about the sponsoring project itself.

and that's what my thoughts are at this point in time.
#ken	P-)}

Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Golux.Com/coar/
Author, developer, opinionist      http://Apache-Server.Com/

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