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From Sam Ruby <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project
Date Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:21:19 GMT
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 05:21 Europe/Rome, wrote:
>> Sam Ruby <> wrote on 19/09/2003 08:42:26 AM:
>>> It took repeated attemps to get Ant to "matriculate".  And significant
>>> effort for Avalon.  James is the only project that I recall that did it
>>> of their own initiative.
>> I always wondered how Maven got out from under jakarta/turbine...
> by asking.
> the members came to consensus agreeing that project umbrellas are a pain 
> in the ass and a PMC should be as close as possible to the code it 
> develops, as to increase the ability to do proper legal oversight. 
> [note: this notion is in *strong* contrast with this virtual-PMC... 
> which, IMO, should be redesigned since it clearly creates more 
> beaurocracy than any good]
> This means that it would be almost automatic, today, for a "mature" 
> project now included in some umbrella projects to "exit" and become a 
> TLP... but only if they ask so.
> This is how Cocoon, Avalon, James, Maven, Ant "escaped" the umbrella 
> traps and went top level: they asked for it and their communities were 
> considered mature enough. That was it.
> Projects like Tomcat, for example, didn't ask because (from what I 
> understood) they feel that "jakarta" has a marketing push and they want 
> to keep it.

+1 to all of the above.

And add "Maven" to the list of projects that "escaped" from Jakarta 
without a push.

> -- 
> Stefano.

- Sam Ruby

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