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From Tetsuya Kitahata <>
Subject Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom
Date Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:59:57 GMT
Hi, Berin. All,

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:18:44 +1000
(Subject: Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom)
Berin Lautenbach <> wrote:

> > I'd like to say, "Those who would write articles in the newsletter
> > draft, are worthy to become members, because they really care
> > for the foundation as a whole". Also, I'll give an announcement
> > (=call) at members@ not community@ in the next time.
> The above argument starts to get dangerously close
> to the old umbrella argument.  "I carry my
> umbrella when it's raining, therefore if I am
> carrying my umbrella it must be raining".  So I
> might agree that people who put a lot of effort
> into a newsletter are good ASF people.  But the
> fact that others are not is completely meaningless.

Well,.... of course, I do not intend such kind of things.

To tell the truth, I talked about the participation
into the OSS communities from my country, with 
one of the ASF members , the other day (in private mail).
This could be absolutely related to the things mentioned above.

I wrote:

" Plus: Japanese companies use the method of scoring by deducting points
 not by adding points, when judging the successors and measuring the
 employees' wages. This is a big problem that the Japan-Society has.
 (Probably this is one of the problems which can be spotlighted when
 talking about the japanese developers in opensource projects)"

Mr. X wrote with an astonishment:

" Fuuuck! You are touching a nerve here! The opensource world works 
 *exactly* the opposite: you *earn* points when you make mistakes and 
 you publicly apologize. (because we know you will make mistakes, 
 otherwise how do you learn?)
 This *covering my ass to show I don't make mistakes* attitude is 
 strongly disliked in healthy communities.

 if the japanese society works the other way around, it will be 
 impossible for them to earn points because they will do everything to 
 prevent them to show the mistakes they make. Which will result in being 
 ignored, another thing that would scare them away because they don't 
 know that the values are reversed!
 Wow, I have to take notes on this. This is really important."


I wanted to mention that the "Apache Newsletter" could become
one of the "adding points" measurements, Not "deducting points"

In fact, those who can write articles for XX (sub)project can
overview the XX (sub)project. This would really help the board
members (and PMCs) to overlook a large number of projects within
the Apache.Org, I am sure.


I *DO* sympathize with the vision mentioned above (from Mr. X)
and want to keep such minds. Really *Open* mind.
"An ounce of practice is worth a pound of theory.", they say.
... I want to put his/her teachings into practice, here in
On the other hand, Japan itself is now suffering from the 
"bureaucratism" disease of society, because anyone do
want to hide their mistakes and do not raise their hands.

However, I'd been really afraid of the *abuse* of the word "meritocracy"
because it could be interpret as "eliticism" in japanese, furthermore
"eliticism" can easily be associated with the "bureaucratism".
* NOTE: "bureaucratism" hates the "NEW" / "MODERN" ideas. Always
*        people say "NO". ... Lack of "nobless oblige"

Yeah, of course I am one of the Japanese fellows and I do
want to hide my mistakes. Yes, now the time has come.
I have many other things to be done. Also, to be honest,
I am still struggling with and wandering off how I should behave
in this society.

> Cheers,
>      Berin

Thank you :) I hope to hear from you in the next newsletter.


Tetsuya Kitahata --  Terra-International, Inc.
(Accredited Herrmann Brain Dominance Instrument Facilitator)

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