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From "Craig R. McClanahan" <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project
Date Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:53:59 GMT
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:05:26 +0200
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
> Reply-To:,
> To:
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project
> Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> ...
> > A word quite frequently used here is "community". Don't you think that
> > the communities of jakarta, db, or xml are worth being kept? They would
> > not even exist if anything were a top level project.
> Even if all Jakarta projects get top-level (which I doubt), Jakarta as a
> community can still remain. It is a place where Java developers can get
> together on common issues. Jakarta doesn't have to dite, it just needs
> to find it's own correct space, more about coordination ang getting
> together rather than being held accountable for a miriad of projects
> that it cannot possibly keep track of.

It's not clear to me that Jakarta has much "community" itself.  For
example, when Ant migrated to being a TLP, the net effect on me was
changing tree bookmarks (project home page and two mailing list archives

The only Jakarta-wide resource I'm familiar with is the general@jakarta
mailing list.  At one point, this had several thousand subscribers.  A
couple of years ago, about the time some really virulent flame wars were
going on, the subscriber count quickly dropped to around 900.  Today,
there are 772 subscribers, and it's pretty quiet.  (For comparison, the
struts-user has 2700 and tomcat-user has 2300, and both are very active.)

Craig McClanahan

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