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From Vic Cekvenich>
Subject Re: Incubator New Project Proposal:
Date Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:59:44 GMT
- "Hello?"
- "Go away, the Wizard of Oz is doing Maven."
- "But I need a heart?"

Is mostly everyone indifferent to basicPortal?

basicPortal would kind of uses open source NullSoft to create setup.exe, 
and not Maven. (it that an angle to get some comments :)).

How about is General or Incubator the right place to bug? Any 


> I would like to propose a project for the incubator, I also cc general 
> list.
> Background
> Scope:, is a portal vertical applications suite, or a 
> portal web application containing a set of frequently used vertical 
> business applications that you install from setup.exe.
> It use Jakarta many sub projects, it’s main verticals are CMS and 
> Community building.
> It is not a framework, but actual solutions to business problems/needs.
> It’s based on Struts tiles, but includes Tomcat, a PostgreSQL  (which 
> has a liberal license) DB, in which XML content is stored as a varchar 
> filed in a db, and it is rendered via JSTL x:transform tag. One of it’s 
> goals it to be able to run J:Meter right out of the box to find out how 
> many transactions it can support. Also, it is being ported to Commons 
> SQL for DAO.
> The goal of it’s UI is something like “” where you can 
> move verticals around (some verticals like so an admin 
> can assign a suite for a “role” (based on JDBC Realms).
> The problem so far has been to write sample apps for a Jakarta project, 
> for example Master Detail processing of users in Struts, or JDBC Relms 
> in Tomcat. This suite provides a place where a project can be plugged in.
> It is similar to JetSpeed, but based on Struts and JSTL. It is similar 
> to Forest and Caccon, one day jakarta web site could have it’s XML moved 
> to something like basicPortal and have it be a dynamic content with RSS 
> feeds, and approval, etc.
> I believe JetSpeed can get better with some competition; Jakarta has a 
> tradition of similar systems, such as Velocity, Turbine and Struts.
> I think it should be in incubator and become a Jakarta project one day 
> as a show case of what a business user can do with Jakarta. Most 
> projects now are framework type for developers.
> Community and Developers: It could use a better community and more 
> involvement.
> It’s developers list
> but I did most of the development.
> I have several commercial sites that use it, and is 
> running it.
> I have mailing list, that is not specific to basicPortal at
> It is as popular or more than OJB/Tapestry, the latest 2 projects.
> BasicPortal will work more on building a community before and after 
> acceptance, as is required by the Subproject proposal page. (“understand 
> what it means to build a community”). One developer is using Nullsoft 
> Open source setup to make a setup.
> It is already packaged as
> Alignment: It  also does try to demonstrate some of the good practices 
> designs in developing an application that uses Tomcat, Struts, JSTL, SQL 
> Commons, DBCP, J:meter, and any other Jakarta project, that could be 
> used. I realy think some projects could build a demo app, since Tomcat 
> and working PostgreSQL will be provided to basicPortal.
> It’s an application that was developed using KISS, everything in it is 
> simple code that is very teachable, and each pieces is simple.
> Some of the features:
> -    New content can be approved (in a multi row update, so you can 
> check a lot of content at once) before it is available.
> -    Wiki style, non approved comments on any page (from a comments db 
> table)
> -    RSS based feed (digester based-into content table)
> -    Tomcat based declarative users security of JDBC realms (a users 
> table, each role has it’s module actions)
> -    Modules for Contact Management (user table), Task tracking, E-mail 
> web client, Store, Auction, Bloeger.
> -    It allows for people to upload an image into a DB (as BLOB) and 
> display it from a JSP (via a servlet link)
> Like I said it is simple, combined systems to make a useful application. 
> For example, anyone can write a user maintenance web module, basicPortal 
> uses it for JDBC Realms, so in Struts in order to long in you need to be 
> a user.
> CMS: users enter an XML record in a XML field in DB. Simple. But since 
> it is DB, it can be flagged a approved, and rendered to another HTML 
> filed in same table.
> Ad sub system uses GIF images stored in a DB. When user is browsing 
> certain content, we can find out ads with similar metatags and display 
> it. (as well as measuer click troughs via count++;)
> The entire application is tile (Sturts tiles action, vs Struts action) 
> based, so that users in the Relm of admin, can move tiles around similar 
> to to change the look and feel for the group.
> Other modules are even simpler.
> The foundation of application is Struts Tiles Action (MVC), so as above, 
> it can have several different presentations.
> It can also have several different DB layers, such as RowSet or 
> SQL-Commons. Other can be added by implementing a simple DAO interface. 
> (we did not do OJB or JDO yet since they tend to be more heavyweight).
> The system comes with PostGreSQL DB and can alternatively be installed 
> via Setup.exe, since it is an application useful for business (as 
> opposed to a framework like Struts that is used by a programmer).
> Upon installation, once can immediately run J:Meter on it, to find out 
> how quickly the master/detail processing would happen in your 
> environment. It is popular to have performance of a system (and you can 
> change your layers here).
> And if I can say useful again, J:Meter is cool and so is DBCP, but when 
> combined and we code a simple master/detail processing, now that is 
> greater than the sum of the parts.
> Other Jakarta projects might want to demo a sample of it’s features, and 
> basicPortal could provide the rest, for example it’s working and 
> updateable beans.
> And I think we should move past the Apache HTTP static web server. 
> Apache is not as powerful as a DB based Java CMS, such as basicPortal.
> Also…. If you are old enough to remember the days of Shareware, things 
> like Sidekick. I miss those days, when you could develop an application 
> (not a framework) and offer it to the community. I hope for an explosion 
> of web applications/share ware, free ware similar to basicPortal setup.exe.
> Orphaned and Inexperience, etc: basicPortal is not. It has more 
> production sites (non-compete) than Jetspeed, etc. Development on 
> basicPortal has gone on for more than 6 months.
> It has plenty of ties to Apache products, except where there are none.
> Lastly, every now and then, there are talented people between the gigs. 
> System programming is cool, but if we can write a killer bus. app., that 
> can pay the bills.
> BasicPortal is Apache license already. It does use JasperReports for 
> repotting (Apache license) and PostgreSQL, both of which are non-Jakrta, 
> and it comes out of the box with Eclipse, like Jboss. So you get a full 
> environment for the download.
> It will also cross over to xml.apache, for Soap and Forest features to 
> make dynamic db.
> BasicPortal can be named something else (Jasic? for Jakarta Basic ), or 
> have logos, or some other infrastructure. It’s future, as always, 
> depends on the kind souls that implement features like to see. So I am 
> all for Meritocracy. I would not mind at all if someone with more 
> Jakarta background decided to guide it some.
> Summary:
> basicPortal leverages a combination of Jakarta projects to solve 
> business problems, and shows some ways of writing a CMS/Community 
> project for high performance sites via dynamic and not static content, 
> as well as commonly needed verticals. 80% of projects need for example 
> container based authentication and a way to manage users/roles. So start 
> with something that works and just do the missing parts.
> It is always in the top 10% of and has about 1,600 downloads per 
> month.
> I would like to re-package the screens/src and place on Jakarta, if you 
> like the idea.
> more info at
> Vic Cekvenich

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