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From Cédric Champeau <>
Subject Re: Groovy Champions proposal feedback
Date Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:00:05 GMT
It feels like everybody agrees this is a good idea, but somethings hasn't
been discussed so far: the Foundation already has 2 ways of recognizing
members of the community:

1. by making them "committers"
2. by making them members of the PMC

If Groovy Champions is going to be different, we need a good explanation
why it doesn't fit in those 2 categories. Especially to give to the Board.
I have my ideas why, but I'd like to hear what others say.

2018-02-26 8:55 GMT+01:00 Søren Berg Glasius <>:

> @Mario
> Very good thoughts, I really like the idea that an award is permanent, I
> believe that goes for Java Champs as well.
> Naming wise, Groovyssimo is fun, but not naming material for an award :-)
> But we need to narrow down the name-space to something realistic that can
> be voted on.
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 08:50 Mario Garcia <> wrote:
>> +1 to what Guillaume said :) Common guys! Lets focus on what we think is
>> a great language and let others think what they want!
>> Regarding the duration of the award. I've though about it, trying not to
>> think in terms of annually or permanent, but trying to see what's out there
>> outside the CS world, and I ended up thinking on the Nobel prize. I'd like
>> some ideas of Nobel prize:
>>    - Takes place every year
>>    - A given prize could be vacant a given year.
>>    - It's so important that it's really noticeable to be awarded
>>    - Makes people very proud of some achievement they did a given year
>>    - Once you're a Nobel you will always be a Nobel.
>>    - Of  course there's been awarded people that even rejected the prize
>>    but that never really underrated the prize overtime
>>    - New members are chosen by previous members and some other relevant
>>    people (members of the parliament among others). Here I'd add the
>>    idea of letting anybody to propose a nominee, but leaving the final
>>    decision to the prize committee (whatever we decide who is in)
>> Despite the difference of content between the Nobel prize and the Groovy
>> awards, after reviewing these points I think they seem to fit better in the
>> Groovy Champions/Stars idea. There is also something I haven't heard yet. I
>> guess this will require a kind of permanent organization, e.g. to contact
>> members, nominees, organize the awards, a web to show the winners...etc
>> BTW: Here you have another naming for the awards: Groovisimo Awards. Can
>> you imaging a "Groovisimo" statue like the Oscars ? It would be a blast
>> My two cents
>> Mario
>> 2018-02-25 10:53 GMT+01:00 Guillaume Laforge <>:
>>> James Stachan's quote has really been taken out of context, and
>>> over-exagerated bu the Scala-fanboys.
>>> If Scala had been what it is now, James would probably not have
>>> initiated Groovy *then*. But Scala was nascent just like Groovy *then*.
>>> It's like if Gavin King had said that he wouldn't have invented
>>> Hibernate if JPA had existed... but JPA came ten years later.
>>> This quote was really harmful, but as the saying goes, lots of water's
>>> gone through the bridges since then.
>>> There's still the myth of slowliness, which we all know is not true
>>> anymore, even in pure dynamic mode (without even mentioning static
>>> compilation)
>>> Usually, you spend way more time in network latency (access to remote
>>> resources, access to database, etc) than waiting for the CPU spent by just
>>> the pure language execution time.
>>> Also back on James Strachan: he went to play with Scala, then with
>>> Kotlin, and has come back to using Groovy.
>>> He's using Groovy on a regular basis through his work with Jenkins, its
>>> pipelines, etc.
>>> So he's back at his old love!
>>> So let's turn the page on those stories, please.
>>> Guillaume
>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Daniel Sun <>
>>> wrote:
>>>> The creator of Groovy said "I can honestly say if someone had shown me
>>>> the
>>>> Programming in Scala book...". I think he compared Scala with the old
>>>> version of Groovy he created in about 2003. As we all know, Groovy has
>>>> evolved a lot, so I never care about others' out-dated opinions on
>>>> Groovy :)
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Daniel.Sun
>>>> --
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>>> --
>>> Guillaume Laforge
>>> Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President
>>> Developer Advocate @ Google Cloud Platform
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>>> <>
>> --
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