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From MG <>
Subject Re: Groovy Champions proposal feedback
Date Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:23:32 GMT
Hi Søren,

I agree that they are all stars. One can have all stars without having 
"Groovy Stars" however ;-)

Regarding your arguments, I in turn disagree :-)

 1. I think that the image of star as a celestial body is not the
    typical association with the word in this context, especially if
    used in plural (i.e. Groovy Stars).
 2. As I have said before, the star in the Groovy logo can imho easily
    be missed (on the Apache Groovy start page it is even partially cut
    off), so the link here to me is weak.
 3. Since many people in this industry have most probably played
    Nintendo games (at least) when they were younger, I uphold the
    validity of my argument regarding this association.
 4. "Rock Stars" in the Java world are "Rock Star speakers at Java One",
    i.e. people who give presentations that, are supposed to "rock". The
    term "rock star" associates with a certain amount or coolness and
    rebellion - things that are typically absent from Java conferences,
    so it is clear why they would like to inject that by choosing the
    term ;-)
 5. "Star players" in e.g. sports are exactly that: People who make a
    lot of money and are known and are revered by millions of people.
    Calling yourself a "star" if you are not even close to that level
    feels tacky to me.


On 19.02.2018 12:03, Søren Berg Glasius wrote:
> I disagree with MG.
> A star is an object that shines, and in this case shines light on the 
> Groovy language and ecosystem. Hence I think the name is both 
> professional, and since it can be directly linked to the star in the 
> Groovy logo I think it makes perfect sense. In sports you also have 
> star players and in music (and Java) you have rock stars. That you can 
> find examples that relates to games on Nintendo does not make a valid 
> point IMO. The "All Stars" just makes it so much better - as that's 
> what Paul, Jochen and others are .
> My few cents worth.
> /Søren
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 at 17:02 MG < 
> <>> wrote:
>     On 18.02.2018 13:38, Eric Kinsella wrote:
>>     +1up on Groovy Stars.
>     "Get a life" ;-)
>     But seriously, all the people one-upping "Groovy Stars" - consider
>     whether that name really sends the right professional message with
>     regards to Groovy ? I am convinced it does not.
>     Managers who might decide whether Groovy can be used in a project
>     are typically conservative and sensitive to those things, and they
>     do not normally follow nerd humor... (next suggestion I see coming
>     along the Stars-crossed-line, is to call Paul and Jochen "Groovy
>     All Stars")
>     As another example, it looks like "Pokemon Stars" on the Nintendo
>     Switch might become a reality:
>>     On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Daniel Sun
>>     < <>> wrote:
>>         Hi Paul,
>>              “Groovy Champions” make people associate it with "Java
>>         Champions"
>>         easily. As for "Groovy Stars", it is interesting but let me
>>         associate "Song
>>         Stars" and "Kungfu Stars" easily... I wish other people would
>>         not associate
>>         as I do...
>>               Similarly, many years ago some one suggested to name
>>         current "Grape"
>>         as "Groovy Baby", the latter is interesting but not formal...
>>               To sum up, +1 to “Groovy Champions”.
>>         Cheers,
>>         Daniel.Sun
>>         --
>>         Sent from:
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> Best regards / Med venlig hilsen,
> Søren Berg Glasius
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