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From "Jose Alberto Fernandez" <>
Subject RE: Re: [patch] - adding support for new features in commons-net 1.4.0 and performance improvement
Date Wed, 11 May 2005 13:55:28 GMT
> From: news [] On Behalf Of Nicola Ken Barozzi
> Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 May 2005, Jose Alberto Fernandez 
> > <> wrote:
> > 
> >>I do not think we can continue maintaining tasks for every 
> project in 
> >>the world just because they do not want to depend on ANT.
> Likewise, you cannot ask for every project to keep an Ant task just 
> because Ant does not want to depend on them ;-)

We ask exactly that from other projects. We would like the SVN people to
their SVN tasks. And the ClearCase people to maintain theirs because
then you can upgrade and deliver them in sync with their new versions.

On the other hand we "promise" not to break the API they use so that
do not need to worry about forward compatibility with ANT (within

> > Calm down.  We are talking about an existing Ant task that 
> gets used a 
> > lot.  And so far nobody has asked the commons-net people whether 
> > they'd want to maintain it.
> > 
> > If you ask me, Ant is the owner of the <ftp> task and commons-net 
> > "only" a support library.  The javacc, antlr or weblogic tasks (for
> > example) are completely different beasts IMHO.
> Yes.
> Ant tasks - like any piece of code really - should simply 
> reside where 
> people care about them, fix bugs and enhance them. IMHO this usually 
> happens in Ant if the task is generic enough to be used by most 
> committers, and ftp seems to be the case.

Ok, but with that view. Any features of common-net will not be available
1.7 is out some six month from now. Or people will have to use nightly
If you want the new features to be made available, then either
common-net provides
the task or has to coordinate the release cycles.

Not sure who is the winner on this.

I may not have made myself clear on one issue: When I talk about
common-net's <ftp>
task, I am not talking about the current task supported within ANT
(which will have to stay
there and get eventually deprecated). I am talking of a "new" <ftp>
task, lets call it
<net:ftp/> that provides all the features and benefits of using the
common-net libraries.
It will be common-net's new replacement task and it will be under
common-net control. 

That is the whole point of the antlibs.

Jose Alberto

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