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From Jon Stevens <>
Subject Re: jakarta-avalon-logkit
Date Wed, 09 May 2001 23:34:02 GMT
on 5/9/01 3:54 PM, "Peter Donald" <> wrote:

> You must hate it when the truth gets in the way of your trolling. Have a
> look at avalons list and you will see that the change was -1'ed and backed
> out. 

Peter. It was the fact that the code that broke other code went in in the
first place.

I only care about your concern about the concept of deprecation, not the
fact that you were caught and told to fix things (or that you even provided
a patch to Velocity to fix things).

Things you haven't gotten through your skull yet is:

#1. At least, Conor, myself and Stefan all want a pluggable system. So, your
arguing a point which is moot. This proposal isn't going to go through. You
do not have the right to change my (or anyone else's) vote to -0 or anything
else. I have provided an alternative solution which solves the problem. My
-1 on a hard dependency on LogKit stands. End of discussion, you are not
going to change my mind or my vote. Creating a small wrapper and interface
is not an ugly design nor is it this huge amount of work. I have done it
twice now and it was trivially easy and you can't convince me (or any other
right minded person) otherwise.

#2. Deprecation is not about fixing what people catch you breaking. It is
about taking an active stance to ensure that your code will work into the
future. Sending patches to a group that is using your code isn't enough.
What about all the tons of other people you claim are using LogKit or the
people you don't even know about?


If you come from a Perl or PHP background, JSP is a way to take
your pain to new levels. --Anonymous

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