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From "Paulo Gaspar" <>
Subject RE: !oh yeah!
Date Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:37:44 GMT
Yes, I also think that a GUI (HTML based?) tool to manipulate
that XML is the missing link to have everybody happy. And
XSLT can help a lot on the implementation of such GUI... if
HTML based.

I also think it is quite difficult to beat XML in representing
complex structures. It is the only text based format I know
that has no problems with deeply nested structures.

And even using a text editor, you usualy do not have to write
everything. Usualy it is a copy/paste/edit oriented task.

I guess it is a bit like beer: you take sometime to get use
to it before it becomes your favorite thing.

If you do not like beer, chances are that:
  1. You did not try enough;
  2. There is no good beer where yo live.

So... take care of producing good XML an trying it enough.

Have fun,

Paulo Gaspar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Todd []
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 05:01
> To:
> Subject: Re: !oh yeah!
> yep. you basically can't beat descriptive data and as such
> folks will be able to get up'n running in short order (eg
> config'ing a web server) or will be able to extend and layer
> in new features (eg tools, etc) as well. beats the heck out
> of cryptic config files anyday.
> if the verbosity is an issue (not in my book) one could
> conceivably come up with an xslt transformation allowing
> one to deal with a hell-a-obfuscated "<a><b/></a>" type
> beast ... if one so chooses.
> i'm a bit biased with regards to server.xml (i wrote the first
> rev back in the day) and with that said i'm impressed with
> what folks have done with it. intuitive, clean, nothing but
> goodness all around.
> - james
> "Timm, Sean" wrote:
> > Get the format right, and the tools will follow.  I think XML
> was a great
> > choice.  No one ever said you'd have to manually type the thing forever.
> >
> > - Sean T.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Sieben (EUS) []
> > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 12:09 PM
> > To: ''
> > Subject: RE: !oh yeah!
> >
> > You like server.xml?
> >
> > ugh. I wish they had stuck with some simple format for the
> thing, like the
> > apache configuration.
> >
> > IMO it's a step backwards in server configuration for UNIX (not to be
> > compared with the great leap backward that is Win32, and the total
> > forece-feeding of GUI configuration.) Typing all that
> > <servetcontext><servelet></servlet></servletcontext> just
takes forever.
> >
> > Anyways that's my rant.

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