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From Paul Spencer <>
Subject Re: [release] Last release of Shale?
Date Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:14:45 GMT
Gary VanMatre wrote:
>> From: "Matthias Wessendorf" <>
>> myfaces is already pretty large, so if you feel, that Shale should
>> stay a TLP, I have no problems with that.
>> I just came back to this idea, b/c was discussed in the past,
>> nothing happened, and Shale is pretty ... quite, these days.
> There hasn't been allot of activity.  Although, I think that other
> apache projects have periods of less activity.  But, I've not seen
> many request on the mailing lists for features to be implemented and
> releases to be made.

 From the stand point of finding what you need from a mailing list, a 
low traffic mailing list is a good thing.  The MyFaces lists are 
contains MyFaces for JSF 1.1, MyFaces for JSF 1.2, Tomahawk, Trinidad, 
Orchestra, and JSF Commons traffic.  Adding Shale and it's sub projects 
will just increase the traffic and user frustration.

A wild thought. Why not move JSF Commons, in whole or part, into Shale?
This is a way of strengthen the Shale community.

>> -M
>> On Dec 6, 2007 5:13 PM, Gary VanMatre wrote:
>>>> From: "Matthias Wessendorf"
>>>> Hi,
>>>> as discussed already (here/dev@myfaces.a.o) there will be a
>>>> move of Shale (or some parts of it), into MyFaces.
>>>> But, before a thing like that will happen, we should release 
>>>> 1.0.5 1.1.0
>>> I'd like to see another release. I know there are several
>>> outstanding bugs
>> logged that need addressed. I hammered down a few several months
>> ago but have not made the time to dig in again. I saw that Rahul
>> did some work last week too.
>>> I think another release would be important on both branches. If
>>> we decide to
>> merge with myfaces and don't take all of the existing modules, I'm
>> not sure what that will do to people have investments in shale. For
>> example, Ryan Wynn has shared that they have developed a very large
>> portal (man years of development) using Clay. That's just one
>> example and I'm sure there are others that have taken advantage of
>> other parts of shale.
>>> For this reason, I'm rethinking the "cafeteria" proposal. I plan
>>> to be more
>> active in the future. IMO, Shale is a lost leader now. Maybe Shale
>> should consider pulling in more volunteers. That seems to be a
>> secret to Struts success over the years. That leads to the next
>> question, would they all be myfaces commiter anyway and would it
>> just make sense to join communities.
>>> Gary
>>>> WDYT?
>>>> -- Matthias Wessendorf
>>>> further stuff: blog: 
>>>> sessions: mail:
>>>> matzew-at-apache-dot-org
>> -- Matthias Wessendorf
>> further stuff: blog: 
>> sessions: mail:
>> matzew-at-apache-dot-org

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