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From Raymond Camden <>
Subject Re: Ripple to be retired from the incubator?
Date Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:03:37 GMT
+1 for retiring and moving it to GitHub.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Christian Grobmeier <> wrote:
> Hi all,
> from my observations over the long time I was mentoring this project I
> can say it was always an up and down. People wanted to progress, but it
> never happened as day jobs prevented it. I think around the time Chrome
> introduced some tooling in that direction (even when its missing
> advanced mobile features) interest decreased even more.
> Today I see not much activity.
> Personally I think a project like Ripple does not have a chance to build
> a vibrant community here. GitHub might be a better place, as there are
> no formalities involved.
> I am +1 for retiring the project.
> I am bit sad about this, as I always hoped the ASF would become a bit
> less Java centric, also bringing its benefits to other environments.
> Unfortunately I have not seen many successful web related projects
> (ignoring Cordova a little).
> Cheers,
> Christian
> --
>   Christian Grobmeier
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 00:50, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> Retiring it means the code is not being managed and thus there are no
>> changes to it in the ASF.
>> People can fork the code and take it elsewhere, but not necessarily using
>> the name Ripple - approval would be required to take the name. Under no
>> circumstances would the name Apache Ripple be permitted.
>> A project cannot stay in the incubator forever. Either there is an active
>> community around it (or work towards an active community) or it will be
>> retired from the incubator. There is activity on the code, but there is
>> no oversight on the health of the project and thus no real potential for
>> community growth. At this point the community is not large enough to must
>> the required oversight and thus cannot graduate.
>> The existing community therefore need to evaluate whether Apache is the
>> right place for them. If the only goal is to fix bugs then I would
>> suggest it may not be an appropriate home.
>> Ross
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Parashuram N []
>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 3:28 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: RE: Ripple to be retired from the incubator?
>> Hi Ross,
>> Thanks for bringing this up. I wanted to understand the implication of
>> retiring a project, vs graduating it.
>> Does retiring a project also mean that we cannot change the code, add bug
>> fixes, etc ? While you are right that there may be no big features
>> planned and that Ripple is largely complete for its use case, does
>> retiring mean that we cannot fix bugs ?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ross Gardler []
>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 11:38 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: Ripple to be retired from the incubator?
>> (BCC private@IPMC as I am speaking as an IPMC member but will follow up
>> on the Ripple dev list as is appropriate)
>> Hello Ripplers, please note the '?' in the subject. I just wanted to
>> ensure I got the attention of PPMC members because the IPMC is asking
>> this question and PPMC members need to respond.
>> In February I stepped up to help the very small Ripple community get a
>> release out in response to the IPMC wondering whether the project had the
>> legs to graduate. With my offer to help the IPMC agreed to give the
>> podling time (6 months) before reviewing again. We are now at 10 months
>> from that date.
>> Some great work by the Ripple team resulted in a few releases (including
>> that all important first release with the fine tuning that is initially
>> so time consuming). In addition a couple of new committers were added.
>> Today there is a slow trickle of work going on in JIRA and the codebase.
>> By my assessment the PPMC is in a reasonable shape, though it is not
>> large enough to graduate. But there is no obvious community action, i.e.
>> no visible interaction between contributors on the future of Ripple and
>> this no place for newcomers to engage.
>> I recognize that the project is small and largely "complete" with respect
>> to its current use cases. It looks to be in maintenance mode. This is not
>> necessarily a problem. All we are looking for is a community that is
>> welcoming to newcomers. But it must also have appropriate oversight from
>> at least 3 active PPMC members (otherwise it can't get a release out the
>> door). I don't see that this will change unless the existing PPMC
>> actively seek to do so.
>> Since Ripple is now 4 months overdue on its IPMC reports the IPMC is once
>> again wondering what is going on in the land of Ripple.
>> Two things *must* happen:
>> 1)      A discussion, on the public dev list, with respect to the health
>> of the Ripple project. This can take one of two angles, depending on the
>> needs of the active PPMC members here. It can be a proposal to retire the
>> project from the Incubator on the grounds that it will not be able to
>> muster enough interest to graduate, or it can be a discussion on the
>> short to medium term future of the project, along with a plan to grow the
>> PPMC to a suitable size to allow graduation. If the second option is
>> taken the goal should be to demonstrate activity with the project with
>> the explicit intention of drawing out any interested lurkers on the
>> mailing list. Only the PPMC members can make the call as to which is the
>> right approach.
>> 2)      An IPMC report must be submitted describing the state of the
>> project and highlighting the action taken in 1) along with a timeframe
>> before the project should be re-evaluated by the IPMC.
>> Thanks,
>> Ross

Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM

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