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From JR <jro...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct 2014 ([ppmc]))
Date Tue, 21 Oct 2014 20:12:39 GMT
I have to say I've stopped using Ripple in favor of Chrome's built in
emulation tools.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Speed, Derek <derek.speed@intel.com>
wrote:

> Hi Raymond,
>
> I am trying to get my head around the Cordova browser platform concept and
> came across your very informative blog post here:
> http://www.raymondcamden.com/2014/9/24/Browser-as-a-platform-for-your-PhoneGapCordova-apps
>
> In the comments to your blog post, you stated that you thought that the
> browser as a platform concept in Cordova felt like a better approach than
> Ripple - could you please elaborate a little on this?
>
> Just so folks understand where I am coming from, here is a little
> background. Our product, the Intel XDK, uses Ripple as the basis of our
> device emulator. We have been putting some effort into a proof-of-concept
> that involves refactoring Ripple such that the implementation of the
> emulation is provided via  Cordova plug-ins rather than built into Ripple
> itself.  This seems to have a fair amount of overlap conceptually with the
> Cordova browser as a platform effort so we are trying to form an opinion on
> which approach makes more sense for us to look at investing in for the
> longer term.
>
> Any insight/advice you or anyone else on the Ripple list can provide that
> compares the pros/cons of the two approaches is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Derek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:00 PM
> To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Oct
> 2014 ([ppmc]))
>
> Actually, the Browser platform can be tested now and will be released very
> soon. If I had to guess, at PhoneGap Day in a week. It is definitely *not*
> 6 months out.
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) <
> panarasi@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Microsoft also has an interest in Ripple given that our Multi-Device
> > Development offering leverages Ripple in the development workflow. We
> > use Ripple only for Cordova-related workflows. However, we plan to
> > start using cordova-browser when it is finalized and replace Ripple
> > with that. However, cordova-browser is at least 6 months away.
> >
> > Can this project continue in its current state for the next 6 months ?
> > I can volunteer to help with releases, reports and bug fixes if that
> > is a concern. Can we revisit this decision after 6 months?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Speed, Derek [mailto:derek.speed@intel.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:02 PM
> > To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> > Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > As many of you on this list know, the device emulator in the Intel XDK
> > is based on Ripple so we have a strong interest in the future
> > direction of Ripple. However, most of our focus within the Intel XDK
> > team on Ripple development has been on adapting it to meet our
> > specific needs in the Intel XDK and we have, regrettably, not spent
> > much effort on contributing to the upstream project.
> >
> > Recently, we have been discussing some collaboration opportunities
> > between Cordova and Ripple that Brent mentioned below. We're very
> > close to having something worth sharing with the community for
> > feedback. So, stay tuned for an e-mail on the early results of the
> > technical work we have been doing together.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Derek
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brent Lintner [mailto:brent.lintner@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:35 AM
> > To: dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for
> > Oct
> > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> >
> > Pending the voice call that went on yesterday about Ripple/Cordova
> > collaboration (of which I did not make):
> >
> > IMO: I find GitHub projects (even from my direct experience) develop
> > and sustain active communities without well defined governance (that
> > develops on demand), and (ideally) provides a truly central (and
> > familiar) channel of communication, contribution, and community. I.e
> > Issues, PRs, Wikis, etc- all the tools you need in one place.
> >
> > FWIW, we were on GitHub when open sourced by Blackberry in the first
> > place, and I felt it was sufficient, and easier to coordinate.
> >
> > Given that, I feel the project has the best chance of continuing on
> > outside of the ASF, because freeing up the process of development and
> > releasing versions might very well reignite contribution, community,
> > and admin management. Things like Cordova adoption or trademark issues
> > can still be worked out there.
> >
> > +1 to Github.
> >
> > PS: If a specific user account is needed to host the fork, I can
> volunteer.
> > While I am less in the space than others, I can benevolently manage
> > the project by giving read/write access and name maintainers to any
> > who are willing or currently committers, and we could go from there (as
> a thought).
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier <cg@grobmeier.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The project is AL 2.0 licensed so to my understanding the Github
> > > project would be a "fork" of the original Ripple.
> > > The owners of the fork would "own" it then.
> > >
> > > Please note that to my knowledge a few things are not sorted out
> > > license wise, in example some images. Like we would have needed to
> > > sort this out here, it would be wise to sort it out on GitHub as well.
> > >
> > > There are some cases when the name could be taken to GitHub. Please
> > > note this requires discussion with the trademark folks.
> > > As there is almost no community so far, it might be difficult to
> > > argue if a single person would be able to get the name.
> > > However, I defer you to the trademarks@apache list if any questions
> > > in that direction.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:51, Raymond Camden wrote:
> > > > Would would "own" the project?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> > > > <grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's not necessary to move to GitHub if nobody wants.
> > > > > My main point is that there is almost zero community here and
> > > > > it's unlikely to change. If Brent or Raymond want to apply a fix
> > > > > or so in the future, they could go to GitHub.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >   Christian Grobmeier
> > > > >   grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014, at 16:39, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> > > > > > How does it going to GitHub help?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Raymond Camden<mailto:raymondcamden@gmail.com>
> > > > > > Sent: ‎10/‎8/‎2014 7:26 AM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org<mailto:
> > > dev@ripple.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Ripple retirement? (Re: Incubator PMC/Board
> > > > > > report for
> > > Oct
> > > > > > 2014 ([ppmc]))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As much as I like Ripple, I know I don't have a lot of time
to
> > > devote to
> > > > > > it. I'd be fine with it going to GitHub.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > we need to report soon, and I have made a few observations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are actually not active in any kind. This is very sad,
> > > > > > > because
> > > most
> > > > > > > of us here
> > > > > > > want Ripple to survive, but it's the truth.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We don't have commit activity. Only two of us where
> > > > > > > discussing a
> > > new
> > > > > > > committer
> > > > > > > to join, without managing to finally start the vote (reminder:
> > > this is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > dev list, new
> > > > > > > committers are discussed on the private list).
> > > > > > > Usually I have to push the report further to the Ripple
> > > > > > > lists and
> > > its
> > > > > > > hard to get a report
> > > > > > > done any time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was wondering if we have a serious chance to change this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, we discussed to join Cordova as subproject. But it
> > > > > > > won't help
> > > if
> > > > > > > there are no
> > > > > > > volunteers from that place taking over.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > ====================================================================
> > > ==
> > > =====
> > > > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com Blog :
> > > > > > www.raymondcamden.com<http://www.raymondcamden.com>
> > > > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > ====================================================================
> > > ==
> > > =====
> > > > Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
> > > >
> > > > Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> > > > Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> > > > Twitter: raymondcamden
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brent Lintner
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ===========================================================================
> Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe
>
> Email : raymondcamden@gmail.com
> Blog : www.raymondcamden.com
> Twitter: raymondcamden
>



-- 
Jonathan

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