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From David Le Strat <dlest...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] J2 Bulid: Ant vs. Maven
Date Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:02:53 GMT
+1 Maven2.  I have been using M2 in my work
environment for over 6-8 months rolling it out to
large development groups and adoption has not been an

Most Apache projects are moving to M2, I would
question the fact that M2 would hurt J2's adoption. 
What is making the build difficult right now is
complex property management, not the fact that we are
using maven or ant.  In addition, with Maven2,  ant
fans can use the antlr plugin to plugin their ant

My 2 cents.


David Le Strat

--- Randy Watler <watler@wispertel.net> wrote:

> All,
> We now have a marginal Maven2 build that is capable
> of building J2 and
> installing on Tomcat. While it has been fun
> reinventing the wheel for
> the Nth time, it is time to get serious about the J2
> build. Here are the
> options:
> 1. Continue on with Maven1/J2 plugin.
> 2. Step up and complete the Maven2 build and create
> an archetype to
> replace the genapp capabilities.
> 3. Ditch maven and go with Ant.
> We need to vote on this before I or anyone else puts
> more sunk time into
> the build. Here are some of the issues:
> 1. Ant is simple and everyone understands it.
> 2. Maven1 and the plugin are not stable and are
> generally complex.
> 3. Maven2 has simplified things in some ways, but
> made them more complex
> in other ways with the pom.xml inheritance and
> transitive dependencies.
> 4. Ant build.xml files can become unmanageable.
> 5. Maven2 may not be sufficiently mature for our
> use; we have
> encountered several bugs and have used some ugly
> workarounds for even
> our simple build cases handled to date.
> 6. J2 users have not been exposed to maven, and it
> can become a
> liability quickly since they expect Ant like builds.
> 7. All IDEs, including Eclipse, can natively build
> Ant based projects.
> 8. When the BSR or other repos are down, the Maven
> offline builds are
> hopeless.
> 9. The training/learning curve with maven is hurting
> acceptance of the
> J2 portal solution.
> 10. The repository in Maven2 will become even more
> difficult to manage
> with the transitive dependencies: in the end, we
> will be forced to
> manage our own repository and all of the J2 users
> will need to do the
> same.
> I am sure there are more... this is not exactly a
> new topic for any of
> us. We are just at the point where we need to make a
> final decision that
> can stand the test of time... J2 needs our cycles,
> not the build
> environment. I am willing to put more time into the
> build no matter
> which way we choose to go... but not unless there is
> a consensus on the
> matter.
> Randy
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David Le Strat
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